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[amigadave]

@ Dammy:

I'm really getting tired of your smug, holier-than-thou attitude sprinkled with elitism.  It is fair to say that I'm using my full restraint to keep from banning you for a week.

Most of the replies about this news have been fair considering CUSA's track record.

I'm also sure CUSA just loves having you trying to drive in a wedge again and attempting to polarize the community but making "us" and "them" statements.  

CUSA SEEMS to be trying to do something good for the community and your venom is SURE helping their cause!

It is good to see moderators participating, or doing their jobs.

Please moderate equally against all offenders in threads where the sole purpose of their posts is to bait, disrupt, name call, post off topic about past history that has nothing to do with the current thread, and generally make threads like this one useless to the majority of silent members here that just want to read what ever news is being offered and let the thread scroll off the front page.

Please do your job and do it evenly.  If you don't know what I am talking about, I can provide dozens if not hundreds of examples, but would rather not waste my time cutting and pasting for something I am sure you are well aware of already.

It has been proven more than once in the past with polls here that the majority of members that bothered to vote here still want to see news (legitimate news) from CUSA posted on this site.  But I can guarantee you that the majority of the members here are also sick of seeing all the bickering back and forth between the supporters and haters of CUSA that pollutes every single thread that has any mention of CUSA in it, even when the thread is not about CUSA.

I am no fan of CUSA and they have no products that I am even slightly interested in purchasing, but I have no idea what they will do with the Amiga name in the future and I want to know what is done, so I continue to read most threads that contain info from or on CUSA.

Please clean this place up!

[amigadave]

As one of the voters thereon, I'd like to note that there's a big difference between not thinking that a blanket ban on CUSA discussion is a good idea and wanting people to keep copypasting every decree issued forth from Barry's keyboard.

Your over exaggeration has little to do with what I just posted and does not excuse the behavior that goes on here every day by children that can't control their feelings toward CUSA.

[amigadave]

That's quite a leap, classing Dammy's post as trolling. Even Karlos offered an explanation for them as something other than that.

The real problem here is that most of the (extreme) CUSA haters are so blinded by their hate that if CUSA so muched as farted, they'd damn Barry for the destruction of the Earth from CUSA-caused global warming.

Most of these so-called horrific actions that have heretofore been "commited" by CUSA any moderate person would chalk up to mistakes, foolishness or simple human failings... But not CUSA, no, Barry is far worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung combined! :rolleyes:

And for this Dammy is trolling? Gimmee a break. I'm no CUSA lover and I agree that Dammy's enthusiasm can be somewhat blind but I'm not so blinded by hatred that I exagerate everything he or anyone else does to defend CUSA just so I can justify my own hatred.

[Puts on flame-proof suit]


@ Karlos:



Agreed. And that's my only concern regarding JGolden's opinion. However, this really was over the line:

Why? Because Dammy doesn't agree with the haters? I don't agree with the haters and I don't agree with Dammy. I certainly wouldn't have threatened to ban him. I would have asked Dammy to cool it, but I'd also ask the haters to cool it too.



Sorry, Karlos, I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but two wrongs don't make a right. As you've already stated, JGolden should have been a little more careful in stating his opinion. That's my only beef. I simply thought his response was tacky. VERY tacky, but tacky, just the same...



Yep. Which is why all moderators should be asking BOTH sides to moderate and not taking one side over the other...

+1,000,000

I am afraid we are horribly outnumbered though and no one will listen to reason, unless the silent majority start chipping in and asking for the disruptive dozen to cool it.  Then maybe the moderators will start doing more to cool off the hot heads.

[amigadave]

You really worry me with your ignorance of the facts.

And what facts would those be?

I am just commenting on what I see as destructive to this forum site and as far as I can tell, the CUSA haters are doing more harm than good.  In fact, CUSA wouldn't get half the attention it does here if it weren't for the children that can't control themselves and feel compelled to comment negatively in every thread that even mentions CUSA instead of just letting the topic scroll into oblivion where it belongs.

I am well aware of CUSA's past transgressions and mistakes.  I am more keenly aware of the constant stream of whining and childish behavior that goes on here in opposition to CUSA.

The previous actions of CUSA don't justify the continuing crap that is posted here EVERYDAY!  Grow up!

@Kesa,

First I have only made one observation (make it two if you want to count my questions to the owner of A.org thread) that the moderation does not seem balanced.   Secondly, I don't see A.org advertising for new or additional moderators.  If they did, I would probably never get chosen here as my views don't align with all the children who have taken over this site.

[amigadave]

So your line of thinking goes something like this: "Not enough people posting agree with me, but of course I'm right so there must be more people who don't post who agree with me than those who do post"

Wrong!  I am not trying to prove who is right and who is wrong on the topic of is CUSA good or bad for our community.  I am just sick of all the hate mail that gets posted here and wish that it would stop so more productive things could be concentrated on instead.  I guarantee that if the attacks and snide remarks and bad jokes about CUSA were aimed at any other company or person, they would most likely not be tolerated here or on any other forum site, but because it is about CUSA and Barry, it has not been challenged by more than a few people and the only reason I challenge it is because it does nothing positive for this community.

The CUSA haters can go on hating all they want, but do they have to share it here on this site every day?  According to them CUSA should not even be talked about here, as it has nothing to do with the "Real" Amiga heritage.

There is no "silent majority".

I disagree.  I believe that there are very many members on this site that do not post their opinions because they do not wish to suffer the wrath of the few most vocal members who are so experienced at tearing apart other's posts and ridiculing people in public.  I am not afraid of speaking my mind when I think something is wrong.  You don't have to agree with me, but I also do not have to stop voicing my opinions, just because you make disrespectful assertions about my character or my personality.  I try not to attack people, but I do attack some of their behavior, when I think it is wrong.

@Darrin,
After reading some of Amigadave's more recent posts I think he's just some kind of control freak - and I don't mean self-control.

If you want to get into a discussion about lack of self control, there are many other members here you should include (and maybe look in a mirror).

You will be happy to know that I have had enough of this topic, so will probably not be responding to much after this post.  It is a waste of my time.

[amigadave]

Here is a good example of why I am trying to work against all the fighting that goes on at several Amiga forum sites:

(Quote for another site, but pertinent to the recent discussion in this thread)

Good post!

I am software developer.

I started developing  software for VIC20 1982nd The following year I went over to the C64 and  1986 for the Amiga. Unfortunately, it took out in 1994 when I rely on a  market for my software. 1994, I went over to Windows. Did not like it  but it was necessary, unfortunately. 2005, I lost my Amiga.

I  started programming in Basic, built for the VIC20 and C64. When I went  over to the Amiga I started with amiga basic but soon went over to  HisoftBasic and thence to the SAS C.

In Windows, I started with  Symantec C / C (C-section) but in 2000 I went over to LccWin32 and there  I am still (an incredibly good programming tool, despite a few bugs).

I  have more software on my computer for the Amiga, but can not get them  online because a PC can not read Amiga floppy disks (I'm looking for an  Amiga on ads).
I have several PC software (some can be downloaded  from the web). Right now I develop an accounting software for small  businesses (the beta version can be downloaded free).
I have also  developed a library that makes it incredibly much easier and faster to  develop software for Windows on more than 800 functions (the library can  be downloaded free).

If I go back to the Amiga with the  development of software must have an Amiga market, unfortunately it does  not have it today. The market is much smaller now than 1995 and less  all the time.

The reason that it will be less need to be removed!

There are several reasons:
1 - Amiga community sticking to too many different directions.
2 - Acceptance of new ideas within the Amiga community is very poor
3 - Acceptance of new entrants may be likened to a declaration of war
4  - Amiga Community seems to be more and more a forum for complaining  against each other. Those who complain are in minioritet with enough of  them to not feel welcome in the Amiga Community forums.

For the New Year, I wish the Amiga Community all the best and that the four problems above eliminated during the year.

Happy New Year and good continuation!

IMO, Points 2 & 3 are a direct reference to the refusal to accept any news regarding CUSA without repeated childish remarks flooding the thread.

IMO, Point 4 is directly  related to all the rest of the fighting and name calling that goes on to often here and at other Amiga forum sites.

My arguments and opinions are just an attempt to reduce this behavior, so it does not have this effect on potential users and developers who might consider returning to the Amiga.

[amigadave]

Duce, you miss the point of my post completely.  Those are not my points, they are of someone who has been turned off from thinking about returning to the Amiga community because of all the hateful posts in opposition to CUSA on the forums and the behavior of some members on the forums.

I don't give a rats A$$ about who hates CUSA or who loves them, I am just tired of seeing it here all the time.  If more people would just ignore the news from CUSA, it would not get 1/10 the coverage it does here on this forum.

Edit: As for the rest of your claims, please stop trying to put words into my mouth, just because you disagree with what I have written in prior posts, does not mean that your "interpretation" of what I wrote is correct.  In fact, you are way off base from the intention of what I have written on several occasions and your paraphrasing what I wrote, or what you think it means is so far off from what I meant, it is not even worth my time refuting your many posts attacking me.  Maybe if you did attend an AmiWest Show you would find out the truth about me, but if that is not possible, or desirable for you to do, then please ask people that have attended and who know me and you will find out how wrong you really are.