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Re: Amiga Guru Book 2nd Edition petition
« on: February 23, 2011, 12:35:16 AM »
Quote from: Damion;617074
Ralph has a real talent for expressing highly technical ideas in a way that's still accessible to the average computer nerd. Despite his knowledge and status, he's also a very nice guy and has politely answered my silly questions anytime I've asked. I'd be absolutely thrilled if the book was published.

Since you have already corresponded with him in the past, please contact him again and beg him to release his revised book, even if it is only an Online release, to save on publishing costs and reduce his risk to almost nothing.

Even if he does not want to have anything to do with the project, he could hand it off to some other person that he trusts for a small percentage of the sales generated and make a profit for himself with little or no effort on his part.

It is a real shame that he has decided to hold back this work of his when there is obviously a demand for the book and the only persons he is hurting is not the pirates that leaked any work to the Internet, he is just hurting his Amiga user fans that are clamoring for this book to be released.
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Re: Amiga Guru Book 2nd Edition petition
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 01:26:45 AM »
Does anyone here know Ralph Babel personally?

Is there any chance of reviving the completion of a revised, or 2nd Edition of Ralph's famous Guru Book?

I have tried to find an English copy of the original book for years, but have always been out-bid for it.  I would still like to get an original copy of his 1st Edition English Guru Book, but would prefer to see an updated 2nd Edition, which might have more recent information and include AmigaOS3.x info.  From what I have researched, the 1st Edition only covers up to AmigaOS2.1.

It appears that nothing ever came of this petition to try to convince Ralph to at least release his updated work on the book via "Print-on-Demand" online service(s).
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Re: Amiga Guru Book 2nd Edition petition
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 09:20:34 AM »
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Actually, I've talked to Ralph about this issue from time to time, and he didn't seem to be against this issue; actually, he had some corrections and extensions for a new edition waiting in his drawer (and, actually, I have a couple of corrections I would like to add, but anyhow...). For some reason, it never came to the phase of "yeah, right, let's do this now". It's probably a timing issue, and a question of financial viability.  

I believe the major problem points are: Time (we all have our day jobs and probably a couple of other hobbies), and money. Given the experiences of the first (actually, second, but first international) edition and piracy, and the pretty low moral of the Amiga community concerning copyright, it's questionable if it is worth doing from a financial perspective.

One way possible way woudl be to publish it through a "print on demand" publisher, i.e. you could get a PDF or something for really little money, and a paperback for the printing and shipping costs.

I could try and approach him on the issue if there is sufficient interest.

The petition site is no longer active, so I can't see how many people signed the petition when it was active, and I can't remember how high the number had gotten by the time I had signed the petition myself.    My best guess is that I was number 450 to 500 who signed that petition, but that is just a rough guess and my memory of the event may be very faulty.

I think that there is still a large amount of interest in an updated version of the book in multiple languages, considering the number of users still looking for a copy of the original German, or 2nd edition English translation books.

If you would take the time to contact Ralph again and ask him about the possibility of doing a "Print-On-Demand" publishing of an updated version, I would greatly appreciate it, and think that many other users would also thank you and Ralph for any news on this topic.

If Ralph needs to know how many people are interested in buying an updated book, a poll could be posted on all of the remaining Amiga related forum sites (except you would need to find a way to filter out duplicate votes by the same people who are members of multiple forum sites).  Another possibility is using Kickstarter to fund the publishing of a paper book, instead of any kind of pdf or e-Book.  My preference would be to buy a real hard bound, or paperback book, that I can hold in my hands, instead of an electronic book displayed on a computer monitor or e-Reader, but I will buy what ever is made available.

I hope that someone can convince Ralph to let this happen.  Since you mentioned it, perhaps Ralph would be open to doing a revised version of his original book in collaboration with several other knowledgeable programmers, who could help add new content that would bring his original book up to date with the latest (or last 68k version) of AmigaOS.
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Re: Amiga Guru Book 2nd Edition petition
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2014, 01:19:52 PM »
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The last time I looked at the petition, it was coming up on 300 signatures.

From reading your post, Thomas, it sounds a bit as if you've missed the last word from Ralph on this, where he made it clear there would be no new version released. This was even after Andreas Magerl from APC&TCP had offered to finance the whole printing.

I'm still interested in purchasing both a physical and digital copy if he decides to release the updated version. If not, then I hope he would at least consider releasing the previous English version in digital format.

That last statement from Ralph is unfortunate.

I guess the best we can hope for is a re-release of the previous English version in digital format, or the possibility that Ralph would sell the rights to the book to someone else who is qualified to write an updated version.  Probably never happen.  :(
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