Redrumloa rocks all kinds of socks

[amigadave]

Firedawg wrote:
@Tension

I disagree with your contention that Red intentionally priced his products higher to individuals he thought to be friends or as you say it "amongst people you like."(ie A.Org folks).  I ask you, have you or anybody here been forced to do business with Red?  I think the answer most likely will be no, so who paid these higher prices?  Only a buyer can be blamed for buying, not the seller. :roll:  

As for Red's comments in the aforementioned thread that you referenced, IMO Red in no way behaved out of line given the comments that were made to him and about him. Red's comments were made in total self defense.    

It's nothing personal Tension, but you need to clean your own nest.

The Dawg

I don't know how I missed all this CRAP until now, but I just finished reading all of both threads and it almost made me sick, but considering the members who posted and their past postings, it doesn't really surprise me.

I have to agree with you 100% Dawg!

I am no fan of Red, nor have I ever bought anything from him that I can remember.  If I did, it must have gone smoothly, or I would have remembered any problem.  Considering years of past postings from all the involved parties, it is not difficult for me to believe that Red made his initial comment as a "knee jerk reaction" to what he thought about the price, without any further devious intention.  I can't be so kind to dozens of other messages in that thread.

Very sad.  Makes a person think twice about continuing to visit here.  I wish a different moderator had stepped in and stopped it at the very first character attack.

[amigadave]

Glaucus wrote:

terminator4 wrote:
However, I highly doubt RED is a a.org heavyweight.  Just b/c he posts a lot doesn't mean s**t.  
You could be very stupid and posting a lot - does that mean you're some expert heavyweight?

I think you're mistaking my comment to mean that he's some kind of super Amiga expert, like Dave Haynie or something. No, I said Amiga.org heavyweight, as in this forum. I'm sure he knows his Amiga stuff, but that's not what I was saying. As for A.org, the guy has been around for ever, has the respect of many people and has earned the position of moderator. Does he have his off days? Yes. Does he say things that many disagree with? Yes. I've gotten into flame wars with him many times, but that's beside the point. Even though I think his judgment may be skewed on some issues, I believe he's the type that strives to always do the right thing. I guess what I'm saying is that I have a good level of trust for the guy and think it's sad to see him driven away like that. However, for this community it's par for the course.

It wasn't always that way, but a few bad (more holy than thou) apples can ruin the whole barrel.

I am amazed that there are more than just one or two here that don't understand the economics that determine what the "value" of a THING is.  Sellers can price items all day long as high as a kite, but if no one buys it, that high price is not it's value.  Buyers determine the value, period.

Also, those who preach their morals to others should also not be the first to throw stones (personal attacks).

[amigadave]

@smerf,

I think you should read my posts again, as all of them were intended to point out that those who "Jumped On" Red because of THEIR interpretation of his three word sentence, were totally out of line IMHO.

When I read that other thread I took Red's "too cheap" posting exactly as he later described it and nothing more.

If I had been attacked so swiftly and viciously without being asked the meaning of my posting, I probably would have reacted in much the same manner that Red did.

[amigadave]

@smerf,

It is a very long and ridiculous read, if you read the whole thread, then read all of this thread.

[amigadave]

@smerf,

Tension, Murple, save2600, arkanoid, and a few others seem to think that it is immoral and deviously wrong for anyone to buy Amiga gear low and then resell it to Amiga users at a higher price.  Specially if they find it for free, or very low cost and make a good profit because the item is worth a few hundred dollars on eBay.  They seem to act as if such a person is a criminal and has wronged the Amiga community and is responsible for artificially manipulating Amiga gear prices, which is ridiculous.  Where is it written that a person is immoral if he does not choose to give away, or sell for a huge percentage less than what the
"Market Price" is for an Amiga item he has found for free, or at very low cost?  I am sure Red has spent thousands over the years buying Amiga gear that was sometimes difficult to find, and has done the community a great service by putting such gear back into the community.  Why shouldn't he be entitled to make as much money as he can for his time and effort?

It is silly how some people rave about how great Amiga computers are and how much they love them and what their collection is worth to them and then complain all the time about the prices of such limited quantity, or sometimes rare equipment.

Some of them attacked Red for being a moderator here, without a single example of him abusing such power, but only on the grounds that he is also an Amiga reseller.  I guess they would expect him to go sell his Amiga gear on a Windows forum (sarcasm intended). Or they think that it is immoral for an Amiga reseller to also help out the community by serving as a moderator, as they surely spouted a lot of crap about what is morally right and wrong along with their character attacks on Red.

I know that I should have probably just backed away from this topic, but the whole mess has really pi$$ed me off and I have seen little to no remorse from those who acted completely inappropriately toward Red with their personal attacks and those who continue to try to force their view on how Amiga gear should, or should not be valued and priced, as well as what should be accepted as morally right and wrong in this community, if not in every one of our personal lives.  It is all a load of "holy" bull crap and I just couldn't sit by and keep quiet any longer.

So come on and flame me, you idiots!

For the rest, sorry for the rant.