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Re: Restocking Individual Computers items, requests? CD32
« on: July 16, 2008, 09:06:29 AM »
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An A600 030 turbocard? :-D

A Kylwalda?



Yeah, an A600/O30 would be nice, but I recently wrote to Jens about the Kylwalda and he said they are all long gone and will not be produced again.

I wanted one to use in conjunction with a Catweasle card to allow booting from a PC drive on an emulated Amiga, as described in Jens spec for the Kylwalda.
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Re: Restocking Individual Computers items, requests? CD32
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2008, 03:53:30 PM »
Quoting another A.org member who owns a Kylwalda:

"From the motherboard a floppy a cable goes to Kylwalda boot adapter, then this adapter chains to Catweasel. Without Kylwalda I would not have a bootable DF0:, as you cannot boot directly from a Catweasel connected floppy, at cold boot (that's why Individual Computers released this boot adapter)."

It is my understanding that this arrangement will work with the Catweasle installed in an Amiga, or in a PC where the Catweasle is used under emulation.  Amiga Hardware Database site states:

"Can also integrate an ISA Catweasel with a PC floppy controller."

I also had seen a similar statement on Jens site, but can't find it now.

Since the Mk4 and the Mk3/Flipper versions of the Catweasle both have PCI connectors, I would think that the same holds true for them in a PC.

The addition of the Kylwalda to a Catweasle is the only way to boot from a Catweasle controlled floppy drive.

As I do not own a Kylwalda, I can't test this assumption through WinUAE/Amiga Forever/AmiKit/etc.

If anyone else has both the Kylwalda and Catweasle Mk3, or Mk4 combination, can you please try to boot from it using WinUAE, or Amiga Forever, or AmiKit?  That way I will know if I should pursue finding a Kylwalda used somewhere, or begging Jens to make one last production run of them for those of us that want one.

Edit:  If anyone that owns a Kylwalda will be attending either the CommVEx4 event, or AmiWest this year, please bring it with you and I will bring a PC with one of my Catweasle cards installed in it to test out this functionality.  I am trying to make arrangements to attend both of those events.
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Re: Restocking Individual Computers items, requests? CD32
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2008, 04:18:28 PM »
@redrumloa,

What is the current price and availability of the IDEfix and IDE Express combo?  I have another brand of IDE buffered splitter/controller, but reading Jens description makes me wonder if I should use the one I have that was purchased from AmigaKit, or sell it and get the combo from Jens?

I want to install an internal Mac SuperDrive DVDRW into my A12000/060 and reduce or eliminate all the external SCSI devices connected to it (I have a larger 2.5" hdd coming through the mail to help me get rid of the second hdd which is external right now).
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Re: Restocking Individual Computers items, requests? CD32
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 04:17:49 AM »
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Kylwalda has (of course) nothing to do with emulation.

It's just amigadave being dumb (again :-))

The example for PC's dates back years when floppy drives were expensive and (just like the Amiga) allows you to connect the one floppy drive to the Catweasel and the PC motherboard floppy connector at the same time to share one floppy disk drive.[quote/]

The Catweasle has that functionality built-in since the Mk3 and Mk4 models were released, so that is not the reason to have a Kylwalda connected to a Catweasle card.

Maybe that is why the Kylwalda has been discontinued, but when I wrote to Jens just a couple of days ago and asked him about availability of the Kylwalda and I told him exactly what I wanted to use it for, his reply did not say anything about it not being able to work the way I have described in a PC.

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It has no role in the PC anymore but still had a role for A1200D's


Well alexh, if I am indeed being dumb again, I can guarantee it won't be the last time.  

I have not proved that a Kylwalda can allow booting when installed in a PC and connected to a Catweasle card yet, but I also have not seen any absolute proof that I am wrong (yet). The driver issue looks like a good reason for it not to work.  I maybe made an incorrect assumption that since the Kylwalda was designed to allow the PC floppy drive connected to a Catweasle used in an Amiga to act as DF0: and boot from it, then it would be logical that it would also work the same way when connected to a PC using Amiga emulation.  Perhaps some kind of recoverable warm boot hack could make it work in a PC, and perhaps not.

I did not say that it was designed for Amiga emulation.  I just read that when paired with the Catweasle, it allows booting from the connected PC floppy drive and hoped that I would find that it would work under emulation in a PC with an installed Catweasle.  This would allow some games and other NDOS floppy applications to run in an emulated Amiga environment, such as WinUAE, as I do not know of any other way to boot these types of games or other NDOS floppy disks, when running WinUAE or any other emulation.

It could have been an oversight on Jen's part in replying to my questions, but since the inventor of the device did not reply that it could not be used in the way I described I wanted to use it to boot from when using emulation on a PC, maybe you will cut me some slack instead of calling me "dumb again"?

"Dumb again"  I wonder what other threads you feel that I have been acting dumb in, or is this just your general opinion of my Amiga knowledge?  I think I'll be offended by that remark.

I know I may not be the sharpest tool on the Amiga Workbench, but I have been around them for about 20 years now and I don't feel that I am a complete newbie on most Amiga related topics.
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Re: Restocking Individual Computers items, requests? CD32
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2008, 04:48:23 PM »
I am not familiar with CAPS/SPS images of copy protected floppy disks.  Which program(s) do you use to create them from my original disks?  Do they work just like adf images in WinUAE?
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