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Re: What still makes Amiga superior today?
« on: May 19, 2008, 05:45:57 PM »
What makes the Amiga superior today is US!  The users of the Amiga, past and present make it superior.

There is no other OS that has the creative, intelligent, dedicated, passionate and absolutely loyal users as the AmigaOS. :-D
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Re: What still makes Amiga superior today?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2008, 06:04:47 AM »
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I do miss the power of the Mac command line when using an Amiga.  I miss Xcode tools where the wole operating system is there for me to use.  But I think you are right the Amiga has such hardware limitations that you have to be clever to make things work and there's no Xcode, you have to figure out how to do things without help.

The Amiga is like a Volvo, you need to get real friendly with it because you don't know when it will break and you have to fix it yourself because the only repairman is in another town and you would have to mortgage your house just to speak with him.



I am really puzzled with the reply above.  Is it me, or do others see something strange with it?

To start with, the All Amiga OSes I know of have a command line interface to get to the heart of the system.  I guess he is saying that the Mac command line is so different and perhaps better than the Amiga command line interface.  I don't know as I don't use the command line when using my Mac.

I can understand the part about not having Xcode tools.

Again I don't understand him saying that "you would have to mortgage your house just to speak with him (an Amiga repairman).  The Amiga community is the best at helping their own to diagnose problems and help get things working again.  If it is a hardware problem that requires expert repair, then I agree it is very difficult to find and probably a bit expensive.

I think getting a Mac repaired is just as expensive, if not more than my Amigas.
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Re: What still makes Amiga superior today?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2008, 06:05:15 AM »
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Re: What still makes Amiga superior today?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2008, 09:41:37 AM »
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just a quick question.

Is Amiga still the only true multitasking computer?


I assume you mean pre-emptive multitasking when you say "true".

It never was the only, or first true multitasking computer, but probably was the first personal computer for the masses that had true multitasking.  I believe that Windows started using pre-emptive multitasking with WindowsNT, or 2000 and don't know when the Mac got it, but I am sure has it now and for a while.
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Re: What still makes Amiga superior today?
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2008, 01:14:10 AM »
What an entertaining thread this has become.  Don't be so harsh with Don, much of what he wrote, I agree with, but he is afflicted with the disease of having to work on and with Windows and/or Microsoft products because they are all that is available right now to do what he needs to do.  Amiga is not superior hardware or software anymore.  That is why I wrote it is the people that decide to still use them that are what is superior, the devotion and continued dedication to improving something long after it has been surpassed elsewhere.

I have the luxury of enjoying the use of the Amiga and can still make money with it (I am getting to that point anyway with the creation of my video studio), but that is not its primary purpose.  I could spend money for better video hardware (if I had any money), but choose to use what I enjoy and get the best from it, even if its best results are not considered close to what the best available can provide.  It can still do amazing things in the right hands and I plan on those hands being mine some day.

I enjoy that the Amiga community and few developers is still alive and fairly well considering what we have all gone through.  What other computers have new hardware being released 15 years after the parent company has gone bankrupt?  What other computer has so many users still waiting and hoping for a new OS for their antique machines after years of development?  

I like that there are still improvements being made to the 3.1-3.9 versions of the OS, the classic Amigas still keep on, keeping on, some people have created AROS, OS4 and MorphOS in the spirit of the classic Amiga OSes, inventive people create projects like the MiniMig, NatAmi and Clone-A, that make us wonder just what may come next along those directions.

The Amiga is a fantastic experience that we have been privileged to be part of.  I for one have been very enriched in the process and I am grateful.  I only wish that something as inspiring would come along again.  Something completely new and revolutionary that would wipe all the Windows, Linux, MacOS and the rest away.  A fresh start that is not crippled by the past and can take full advantage of the incredible power that is available today, but in a way that leads to future development like nothing that has ever been before.  In other words, something worth getting all excited about, something that will make me sit back and say "maybe this is the way things might have been if the Amiga had won the battle and Windows had died at version 3.1".

Until that day comes, I will use my MacBook for most things, including running WindowsXP only when necessary, emulating an Amiga to escape and save my sanity, and enjoying my collection of Classic Amiga computers every chance I get.
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Re: What still makes Amiga superior today?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2008, 02:38:29 AM »
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Other than boot-time, I can't see how it is better than other OSes. The lack of new hardware is a big issue.

I still enjoy running my Amigas, but I'd say the baton has been passed on some years ago.


Is it really the lack of hardware that is holding the Amiga back today???

We have WinUAE that allows us to run on almost any new computer manufactured today, as I believe that MS still has a stranglehold on the market and the vast majority of computers come with some version of Windows already installed on them.

What is holding the Amiga back today is a lack of general interest and an overwhelming lack of programmers working on an updated version of AmigaOS (the real AmigaOS used with WinUAE, not AROS which does not run any of the thousands of Amiga applications) AND no new applications for the real AmigaOS.

Many people say that OS4 is the real AmigaOS, but is it really?  I think that MorphOS is just as close to having that same claim as it runs as much or more Amiga applications as fast or faster than OS4, so all OS4 has is the name.  I am not trying to really knock OS4, it was a valiant effort that sadly took too long and now has no hardware support.  WinUAE works every where.  

I think I am more likely to support further work on OS3.9 and applications/games that run on it, than any other direction.  Have all of you looked at AmiKit, AmigaSYS, AIAB, etc.

I have only really spent time with AmiKit, which is a GREAT piece of work.  Really great!

I know that my Classic Amigas will be stuck in time and can only do so much, but I will continue using them as long as they continue to fire up.  But a lot of my future work and Amiga enjoyment I hope will be on a much faster Amiga through emulation with new applications and games that may, or may not, only run on that emulated Amiga, but that is okay.

Sorry, but I just think that OS4 is a dead end unless by some miracle it becomes Amithlon and is ported to x86 and x86-64bit.  But that won't happen because there is no money to pay for such a tremendous task.  Look at how slowly AROS has come along and still what can you do with it?
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