Amiga OS4 on old (PPC) Macs

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motorollin wrote:
I'm not counting on Hyp/AInc/ACube doing anything official. And I too am worried that there will be no future releases of OS4. So I have ordered a copy in anticipation of an unofficial "fix" being released which will allow it to run on a PPC Mac.
moto

I don't advocate piracy of any kind, but in this case I wish the person(s) who have figured out how to run OS4 on a MacMini would "accidentally" leak that information and/or code to the Net.  It would then be used with the same OS4 package that is being sold for the Classic PPC Amigas and would explode the sales of OS4 to ten times what is selling now.

It makes sense, as they are not making any money on proprietary hardware with the Classic version of OS4, so why not make money for sales of Classic OS4 to be used on any PPC Mac?

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Faerytale wrote:
The clerk behind the desk dont give a {bleep} of licenses. He just want you to buy so he can get his share of money.
He probably havent got a clue about licenses anyway

But when you install the software, you probably have to click"Agree to license" before you can install it.

About toyota toragos, I dont know bleep

Yes, you are right, but I don't think anyone is going to track me down and haul me off to court because I have bought one copy of OS4 for Classic Amigas with PPC cards and used a hack to install it on one G4 PowerBook, or MacMini that I own.

I for one would be willing to take that risk.  Who would I be hurting?  I could see that it "might" be a problem if Hyperion, Eyetech, or even Amiga Inc. had their own hardware they wanted to sell with OS4 pre-installed on it and this hack had a negative effect on sales of new hardware, but that is not the case.  There is NO NEW HARDWARE available.  And don't tell me you believe the crap about ACK actually building something that Amiga Inc. plans on selling?

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@TheMagicM,

There has been someone, or some group, I believe from the same Hyperion group working on OS4 that DID accomplish getting OS4 running on a MacMini PPC.  If you read through all the messages in this post and one of the other OS4 threads, you may find out more about it.  But IIRC, the group or person who was able to get it running even showed it to Bill McEwen and he reportedly used it as part of Amiga Inc.'s evidence against Hyperion in the court case.

So, if that is true, the work has been done and it would only be a small amount of additional work to modify the patch to allow OS4 to run on more Macs than just the MacMini.

We need to find the individual or group who has the code that will allow OS4 to run on Macs and convince them to anonymously post it somewhere that the rest of the Amiga community can get to it and further modify it to work with other Mac PPC computers.

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Fizza wrote:

I was always on the understanding that the hack would come from a third party, either shareware or whateverelseware. If so, then there would be no legal ramifications for Amiga Inc, Hyperion or Apple, although I'm not sure why Apple would be bothered, fair play OS4 is nice, but I'd imagine if Apple were worried right now about their OS being thrown off the machine, it would be Linux, or even Windows that they'd be concerned about. Amiga's probably not on their radar whatsoever.

Basically some cunning person(s) come up with the way to get it running, and we all just go out and buy boxes of OS4 and take it from there. Although I guess, the main concern now is whether OS4 Classic can be made to run, and/or the availability of the 'normal' OS4, is that still being sold?

Yes, the "Hack" must come from a third party that cannot be identified.  It must be anonymously released, or "Leaked" to the public and further improved anonymously as well to protect those persons from any litigation from AInc., or Apple.  It must include all the drivers needed for the specific Mac model that it is intended to be installed onto.

I am sure it can be done, and also believe that it has already been done, as reported, on a MacMini.  I don't know how "refined" and bug free the port to the MacMini is/was, or how much work it took to get OS4 running on top of, or booted in place of the MacOS.  I am positive that if, or when the hack becomes available, it will make a huge impact on the number of sales of Hyperion's OS4.  

Someone mentioned that the version of OS4 that was probably running on the MacMini was not the same as the recently released for sale version for Classic Amigas with CyberStorm or Blizzard PPC accelerators.  I agree with that assumption, but that does not mean that a hack or patch to the version that is currently selling can't be done.

Again I will ask for the person, or persons that were responsible for getting OS4 to run on a MacMini to somehow "Leak" the code necessary to make it possible to run OS4 on PPC Macs to the Amiga community.

If that does not happen, then perhaps another very smart developer can duplicate the work required to run OS4 on PPC Macs and release it, or sell it to the hundreds (and hopefully thousands) of Amiga users and curious Mac and Windows users that want to find out what all the buzz is about that OS4 users have been and will be shouting about with excitement in their "Internet voices".

OS4 on PPC Macs will be a great day for the Amiga community!

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persia wrote:
Patching OS X to run on non-dongled hardware is tim conuming there are hundred megabyte updates monthly that break the patch.  Amiga OS is basically unsupported, things don't get fixed, so once it was setup to run on non-dongled hardware it would be for an indefinite period of time.  

If AmigaOS4.x were patched to run on all old PPC G3, G4 and G5 Macs natively, without the need to run the MacOS, then it could not be broken by any updates from Apple.  It would be a dual boot system, if the owner still wanted to keep MacOS installed too.  Besides, how long do you think Apple will be continuing support for PPC Macs?

P.S. Did A1260 "Explode" yet?  AOS4.x on PPC Macs will be the greatest thing to happen for the Amiga community since the NewTek Toaster/Flyer was created.

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persia wrote:
It would be hard for Amiga to compete without a killer app, actually without any of the "standard" apps let alone a killer app.  It can render web pages, can't handle html mail.  It's video and audio editors are primitive.  You can't open Adobe docs or see flash on youtube.  You can't edit raw images.  You can't edit and host webpages on it.  You can't open a Word document.  Who would buy it and why?  

This is Amiga Inc's problem, they might love the idea of producing a new Amiga, but it can't compete in todays world and it would be a waste of money, so they talk and delay, then delay more and talk more.

You forgot to mention the part where Amiga Inc. officers and managers (all two or three of them) keep milking their investors the whole time while they produce almost nothing of any value and then go bankrupt without really having to file bankruptcy and start another company to do the same thing to their new investors. :lol:

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dammy wrote:

AI just don't like it, because that way it destroys the market for their overpriced (A1) or vapor (ACK) hardware dongles.

That and piracy of their OS. I doubt they are too concerned with A1 owners booting the OS4 up on a mini-Mac, but the piracy of their OS by those not owning a A1 should be of high concern to them.  I expect to see emergency petitions going to the Federal court sometime this week by AI and Itec.

Dammy

How do you equate this bootloader with piracy of their OS?  

Also, has it been confirmed which version of OS4 will work with this MacMini bootloader?  If it is the version that runs on a Classic Amiga w/PPC that is currently for sale I will place my order today in hopes that the bootloader will continue to be worked on until it is able to work with many more models of PPC Macs.  I have a 1ghz PowerBook that needs repairs that I would love to run OS4 on.

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@persia,

Just out of curiosity, what model PPC Macs are you taking out of service?  When you say you are replacing the PPC Macs with Intel, I assume you mean Intel Macs?  What type of business is it that decided to use Mac in the first place instead of Windows boxes?

I have said it before in great detail.  Releasing an equivalent to bootcamp that would allow the installation and running of the currently available, AmigaOS4 for Classic Amigas on all models of PPC Macs would be the best thing that has ever happened to the Amiga community, Hyperion and the long suffering developers that have been so under paid for their work on OS4.  Maybe it would even generate enough renewed interest and small amount of money to allow more future work and a port to what ever the AOS4 team want it to run on so they can make a little more money.  If they cannot see that and are still so narrow minded and determined to keep AOS4 only on proprietary non-existant hardware, then they do not deserve my support.