Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Author Topic: Death Penalty - Your Comments  (Read 6204 times)

Description:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline X-ray

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2004
  • Posts: 4370
    • Show all replies
Re: Death Penalty - Your Comments
« on: January 31, 2005, 06:58:36 PM »
There seem to be two reasons why people are against the death penalty:

1) Objection to the taking of a life (even if he is guilty) on moral grounds.
2) Objection to the death penalty because of the possibility that an innocent life is taken in error.

My thoughts on (1):

If the guy is guilty (and for the sake of my argument in point (1) I am going to stipulate that he is guilty), I don't have a problem with the death penalty for the following crimes:

Murder (1st degree, planned)
Rape
Child molestation

There are no mitigating circumstances for these crimes, and any individual who commits one of those three crimes forfeits his right to his place in society immediately. He knows the risk before he does it. You don't put down all your chips on one number at the roulette wheel and then cry when you lose. You don't reach out for those chips afterwards. They are gone. If you were concerned about losing them, you should not have bet them in the first place.

My thoughts on (2):

This is entirely a matter of evidence. It comes down to whether the evidence against the accused is relevant and is of the required quality. And I agree that mistakes do happen, whether they happen at the time that evidence is collected, or the time that evidence is analysed, or the time that the analysis of the evidence is presented. The evidence has to be unshakeable. This is a real concern. At the moment one form of evidence that I think is unshakeable is DNA evidence. And even so, to protect against mistakes related to evidence handling (or even nefarious laboratory activity) I would say independent DNA testing (by the defense team) would be required if there was to be confidence in the analysis. Ironically it is DNA evidence that has CLEARED many of the people who have been wrongfully executed. I suppose as regards (2) I would be more concerned about the kind of evidence that is being used to convict the accused. If the guy is caught in the act, arrested and confesses, I think that is good enough evidence to convict him. But I acknowledge that there are many cases where I would not be happy to see someone convicted, based on the quality and type of evidence being presented.


 

Offline X-ray

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2004
  • Posts: 4370
    • Show all replies
Re: Death Penalty - Your Comments
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2005, 10:50:43 PM »
@ Kenny

Kenny Richey didn't do himself any favours by being pissed out of his head and smoking hashish on the night of the fire. Even the defense attorney's opening statement pretty much describes Richey as a Chav.

"...We're going to show you a society here that accepts no responsibility; that lives for the joy of drinking alcohol; that lives for the joy of taking different types of drugs. And, I'm not exempting Kenny from that group either..."

He goes on (the defense attorney) to say that the people who were always partying together had no income other than support, and many of them had criminal records that he thought was a contributing factor in their income. (He wanted to discredit witnesses and use Richey's drunken state as a defense)

Perhaps Kenny got set a bad example by his brother:

"..Tom Richey is serving a 65-year sentence for shooting dead a shop assistant while high on drugs..."

from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4208175.stm

But the person who really needs her arse kicked is Hope Collins, who left her 2-year-old in Richey's care in the first place.

I'd like to know what the apparent 'flaws' in the original trial are, because I've read the first 70 pages of the transcript but the whole thing is 1334 pages  :-o

Would be nice to see where they went wrong, and go back to the original, just concentrating on the flaws.
 

Offline X-ray

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2004
  • Posts: 4370
    • Show all replies
Re: Death Penalty - Your Comments
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2005, 08:13:36 AM »
@ Wolfe

"...An individual commits a anus crime and is allowed to live..."

--------------------------------------------------------

What is 'a anus crime?'

Did you mean that, or did you mean heinous?
 

Offline X-ray

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2004
  • Posts: 4370
    • Show all replies
Re: Death Penalty - Your Comments
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2005, 07:51:07 AM »
Come on Toy Boy, you can't ask for somebody to be banned because he has an opposite viewpoint