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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« on: September 24, 2003, 01:35:14 AM »
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2003, 10:05:06 AM »
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2003, 10:52:12 AM »
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Who sayes that is their motivation? A dead Amiga Inc would be good business for Genesi. Else why would they want AmigaDE which has been openly criticised by Bill Buck in the past?


I don't pretend to be privy to the inner workings of companies I don't have any connection to (unlike certain others), and I'm not willing to conjecture. I don't understand why they would want the DE at all - from where I'm looking from, it's worthless. Broken. It probably just comes down to money and pride. The whole DE thing means nothing to me.

But what would Genesi gain if AInc went bankrupt? Community...? No. Superior hardware designs... not all that likely. Superior software... hardly. You tell me, because I sure as hell don't know why Genesi waste the court money challenging AInc - what's the difference between a competitor who doesn't compete and no competitor at all? None in my eyes. AInc are currently a non-entity.

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Really? How many outside of the "dregs which remain of the Amiga community" bought a Pegasos? Which of the 500 odd that bought rather than were given?


Admittedly, not many. However, people bought a Pegasos who would never have considered an A1, and who until they got a chance to try it probably wouldn't have ventured outside x86. Its ability to run MacOS for the fraction of the price of a real Mac seems to be a current sales pitch. However its strength to bring back users from PC and Linux scenes is already evident.

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No need to be so rude.


I'm sorry if the truth tends to bruise fragile egos. The Amiga community is not what it was. The quality that made it sparkle in the 90s is almost gone, absorbed by better solutions. And I don't mean MOS.

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Sales figures I have seen put the number of currently sold and dispatched A1 boards at over 1300 units - and thats BEFORE AOS4 is out.


Sales figures that are not authenticated and could be wildly exaggerated. The number of Pegasos and A1 users could be closer than you think.

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Well once could be as rude as you and say they have a lot of followers who are there only because they are anti-name and crazy.


Most Pegasos owners don't care about Genesi. They bought a Pegasos because it was the best option available to continue using a Amigalike environment. It was cheap, powerful, and available with a ready to use OS. In fact, you will probably find that some of the harshest criticism of Genesi's PR-before-users tactics comes from Pegasos users.

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Still, I feel you are being insulting and you have insulted me - according to you I am either crazy or a name follower - I am neither.


If you choose to let that epithet fall on you, so be it. You must want to be insulted, since these words don't really describe you at all. I supplied the description, it was you who wrapped it around yourself.

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I am just a consumer. In fact your aggressiveness is indicative of what stopped me buying a Peg1 in the first place.


Ah, really. My aggressiveness. I, who, until the last batch of Peg boards, were as cruel and critical of all things MOS as I currently am against AInc. No, I'm afraid you've got that wrong. Even if you were put off by mouthy blue trolls, as I sure as hell was, you would have got a Peg if you wanted one. That's exactly what I did. And guess what: half of the things the mouthy blue trolls said came true. It's when that happens you start to wonder whether you've backed the wrong side.

Why not with you, I wonder: it's not stupidity, certainly. Stubborness, maybe. But the time may come when you finally realise that the people you defend so staunchly are not worthy of your loyalty, and that the things you worked so hard to deny simply become undeniable.

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For gods sake, if this post of yours Kenny remains unmoderated and you remain unwarned then Amiga.org needs a kick up the bum.


I didn't say anything that isn't already known and painfully obvious. Truth hurts.

Freedom of speech is one of AO's great strengths. Other community website(s) seem greatly lacking in that department.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2003, 10:58:30 AM »
It's not a news item, L8-X. It's an article. There's nothing new here.

As for the A1-lite, if it costs something like £400 for a motherboard, then it won't be a success, whether you can blame that on Genesi or not. AInc's full demise might actually put that price down: less licencing to pay.

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For something thats already dead, you guys are making sure it stays that way.


Aren't you annoyed by the people who keep saying Elvis is alive even though it's obvious he's dead?
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2003, 11:06:43 AM »
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DaveP wrote:
Freedom of speech I agree with Kenny, freedom to be rude I do not.

Ponder the difference between these two statements:

#1 President Bush made an error of judgement over Iraq, this will be the way history remembers him. People that side with Bush at the moment either fail to see this or give him too much leeway.

#2 President Bush is a retard, he f**ked up over Iraq. Those that stick up for him are just crazies and cultists.


My choice of response would depend on the context. Speaking in a controlled, adult thread it would be #1. Speaking in a thread where the average statements included "well, they deserved it", "who cares about dead arabs?", or I saw the pictures of civilians horribly maimed, my response would be #2, and my conscience would be clear.

An extreme example, maybe, but I hope the comparison is clear.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2003, 11:11:05 AM »
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What I dislike is that you continue to allow an insulting tone and for those that have chosen not to buy into Pegasos be described as "crazies" and "followers of the name".


Nowhere in this thread will you find anywhere where I called people who didn't buy a Pegasos as crazies or name-followers. Those descriptions stand on their own merits. Please stop squeezing my words to make them fit your own agenda.