Why porting Mozilla to Amiga??

[KennyR]

Mozilla is slow, guys. Admit it. It takes ages to load, it takes ages to surf, and it takes ages to install. Everything about it is an exercise in patience. It even comes with a launcher so it loads quicker, and the expense of eating about 30MB of your memory on every boot, which slows your system down even more....arghhh!

And no doubt the 68k guys want Mozilla too, which will take the slowness of this app into extremes. They're bound to be disappointed if they ever get it.

[KennyR]

Looks pretty fast from where I'm sitting.

Try it on an 030/50.

Takes longer than I'd like, which is why I have it installed on recoverable ramdisk.

Which slows Windows by using up all its memory and forcing paging VM - AAAAAAARGHGHHHHHHHH!

Now I'm wondering if you've even tried it. Takes ages to install? What planet are you from?

A planet where things should install in under two minutes. Aren't you? Ah, I forgot - you come from a world of progress bars that fill up to 99% in 3 seconds and stay there for ten minutes. And of course, installing Windows in the first place was a matter of hours. I really don't know how you put up with this crud they misleadingly title an 'operating system'.

If you're in the habit of counting nanoseconds with increasing tedium, I suppose so, but then life must be very slow and dreary to you.

No, I count it in seconds, and this is why Mozilla is so slow to me. As a Windows user I guess you've made a life counting things in minutes, which is possibly why you can even consider Mozilla to be fast.

I've never felt the need to use the launcher.

No, you prefer to have your VM page the HD all the time using a ramdisk instead. What's the difference?

But while I've got half a gig of RAM because Win2k doesn't exactly have a small memory footprint either, I'm not complaining.

In case you hadn't noticed, the average mount of RAM for an Amiga is about 64MB, and for A1 or Pegasos about 256MB. And we are discussing Mozilla on these, right? Right?

Now what is the point in the constant Mozilla bashing? Does it achieve anything whatsoever?

Does bloated code acheive anything whatsoever? Apart from being annoying and selling new PCs?

[KennyR]

Are all applications supposed to run full speed on an 030/50?

No, of course not. I am exaggerating wildly. A 060/50 would be a more representational CPU speed for the average Amiga user today. Mozilla will not run on this spec in anything more than a true crawl. Even less if you use PIO0 (which almost every Amiga uses). It will be unusable. And yet all the 68k Amiga users expect a port.

This is the real painful part of the whole Mozilla thing. They want something useless to them and are paying for it in droves. Sort of reminds me of Clickboom's Quake, somehow.

I have used Mozilla on two different PCs. Okay, my XP box lacks the memory to be fast in anything. When I installed Mozilla for my family I had to get rid of it again because none of them used it - IE loaded much quicker. And on my own PC, a P200, Mozilla was just a waste of time. It just was too slow. Even the scrolling and GUI resizing reminded me of my vanilla A1200 days.

Look - if the people who like Mozilla thought as you do, it's obvious that they wouldn't put up money to get it ported. However, as they're putting up money for it, it's obvious they disagree with you. So stop trolling. And get your facts right.

I apologise for trolling. I'm very hot and bothered at the moment. But I am certain that 68k is much too low a spec for Mozilla, except on an Amithlon box. If you don't agree, fine. But there are going to be a lot of angry and disappointed people when (if) Mozilla arrives. Angry people leave the Amiga. Ask AxE.

[KennyR]

I'm sorry, but the m86k Amiga users shouldn't expect a port of any up-to-date software from other platforms. It's about time they upgraded.

Ah, now we agree. I know 68k is too slow for Mozilla (or vice versa) and you know it. Problem is, there are 1000s of 68k users out there waiting for it who don't know it. We in #AZ get loads of requests to make ANR faster on slow CPUs like 030 and 040. Of course, we can't.

And I think it is just those people paying the cash for Mozilla. Who else would it be? OS4 can't get a port because dev materials aren't present yet. MOS people aren't going to pay because it wouldn't technically be 'Amiga' and a MOS port from this source is unlikely. Emulator people don't need a port because Mozilla runs on Windows. That only leaves one bunch of people.

[KennyR]

Not the sharpest tool in the box when it comes to legality, are you trgse?

[KennyR]

On my 850MHz Duron notebook, it takes just 10 seconds to start up Phoenix (now Firebird) and display my homepage (fetched from remote server via DSL). That's not too shabby, I'd say. Even with IE's being partly loaded already, it takes 9 seconds just to open and display an empty window on the same machine.

Ten seconds is an age, especially when you're just clicking on something on IRC for general interest. My system boots faster than that. IMO a browser taken 10 seconds to load on a UDMA drive with a 850MHz CPU powering it is unforgivable for "just" a browser.

I guess my definition of slow is just different from all the Linux and Windows users in here. How you have the patience for it all I can't guess. Even my 040/25 felt a sharper machine to use.