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Re: How to send software to amiga from PC
« on: July 18, 2004, 03:41:57 PM »
Since someone already opened this topic, I'll write about my related problem here.
First, hardware info: Amiga 500, 512kb RAM expansion, Kickstart 1.3, Workbench 1.3, internal floppy only (Chinon FB-354).
I made the Amiga<->PC cable and followed the instructions on this page - I used the method A.
http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/homepage/c725/c72578/amiga/adfsenderterminal/methods.html#A
I transferred the transdisk utility successfully, then copied it onto my WB1.3 backup floppy. I rebooted, then typed into the shell:
transdisk -w ser:
then I started the ADF Sender Terminal on the PC and sent some ADF file (I set the COM port settings before that, so that they match Amiga's). It started writing, took quite some time, but then stopped at the last track - ADF Sender Terminal said "100% sent", so I thought that was it. But Amiga seemed to be still waiting, it didn't exit the transdisk program. Then I simply powered off the Amiga and tried booting off that floppy - nothing :(
Does anyone have any idea what might be the problem?
And another question: I have only a few DD disks, but many many HD disks I don't need - can I use HD disks in my Amiga? If yes, what is the procedure? Do I have to "prepare" them somehow? Do I have to tape over the "HD identify" hole to "trick" Amiga as if it was a DD floppy? Do I format them on PC or on Amiga? Or do I simply do a "diskcopy df0: to df0:" to back up my WB1.3 to a HD floppy?
Thank you very much for reading this and any replies.
 

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Re: How to send software to amiga from PC
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2004, 06:38:59 PM »
Thank you for such a quick reply! :)

Regarding transdisk:
I don't understand what you mean by transferring to a file first, since I have only 1mb - when I boot into WB1.3, I have 888216 bytes of free memory, but the ADF image file is 901120 bytes (=880k). That's why I chose this method - as I understand, it should write directly from the serial port to df0, without requiring 880k free memory. Or did I misunderstand that transdisk method completely?

I've seen links to some other transfer software, but most of these programs are Kick2.0+, so that's a no-go in my case.

Regarding HD:
Something strange is happening - I take a freshly formatted 1.44mb floppy and put it into my Amiga - the following procedure:
1. WB loads completely
2. I eject the WB disk and insert formatted HD disk
3. An icon with "DF0:BAD" appears - I click on it, then right click on Disk and select Initialize
4. It asks me for WB1.3, so I switch the disks again
5. Asks me to insert the disk to be initialized and I do that and say Continue when it warns me that all data will be erased.
6. It starts formatting - it says formatting and verifying cyl 0 two or three times and then quits with the following message:
Initialization failed
bad sector number
try a different disk

Is it possible it is a hardware problem? Something like a dirty fd0 or misaligned head or something completely different?

[Edit: I've just tried the same procedure with some DD disk and it was the same error!! Then I tried formatting with X-Copy 9 and strange things happen:
First I formatted the top side and it completed successfully. Then I tried the lower side and verify errors appeared on the first half of the disk.
Then I tried formatting that HD disk, first the top side, then the lower. Results? Top - verify errors on the first 15 of 79, it's ok from then on. Lower - first half has verify errors, it's ok from then on.
And another interesting thing - I tried formatting the upper side again, and there were errors up to 11 and ok from then on. 11 to 15 were "healed" or what? This is getting very very strange... :( I hope that this additional info is helpful in any way.]

Sorry for these newbie questions, but I have no idea what's wrong! :(
And sorry for that off-topic HD stuff, but it *is* related in my case, since that seems to be a part of the problem with transferring from PC to Amiga.
 

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Re: How to send software to amiga from PC
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2004, 10:03:58 PM »
@blobrana: Yes, I tried the format from the menu, and the second time it completed the format successfully on the DD disk. Then I tried writing something to it with transdisk again and there were errors - the disk would boot, but then lock up the Amiga very soon.

@nobrakes: Thank you for that info, but that's not what I'm looking for.

@jjans: I did some more testing and found out that the cable is 100% ok, transdisk works as it is supposed to. Everything is transferred the way it should, but it is written with errors - so, the only problem that is still unsolved is the floppy problem.
I don't know about the HD disks - a few places on the net tell me that this Chinon is supposed to read/write without problems.

I have just opened the floppy, cleaned the heads and now I can format DD disks without any problems. Using the transdisk method works without problems now. But HD disks still don't work - still the same error message:
Initialization failed
bad sector number
try a different disk

Does that mean my drive is DD only, or is there something I can do to force it to use HD disks as well? Let me remind you, by "use HD disks as well" I mean "use HD as DD", not "use HD as HD and magically have 1.44mb of space". There is a jumper at the back of my Chinon FB-354 drive - what does it do?

BTW Should I take this problem to a new (=hardware related) thread, so that I don't pollute this one with (now) OT stuff??