AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3

[AmiKit]

@Gulliver

First of all, many thanks for your effort!

AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3 LEGAL

1.Usage
You are entitled to use BoingBag3, only if you got a legitimate AmigaOS 3.9 licence.

You simply cannot re-distribute original or patched AmigaOS files, no matter what you write into your readme. Sorry, that's a fact. In addition I doubt you can use the name "Boing Bag" and pretend it's official one (according to the archive's readme). It's not.
(Btw. the previous official Boing Bags contain full patched system files just because they were created and distributed by the original Amiga OS license owner - which you are not.)

The only legal solution for this unofficial Boing Bag, besides renaming the package, is to include patch data (.pch files) instead of full and patched AmigaOS files. The full files can be created on user's computer - by an installer. It should be easy to write one.

[AmiKit]

I think we should discuss how much work it is to have the patch contain patches and have the installer do the patching, or have Hyperion sanction this effort

It's matter of few more lines in installer that would do all the patching on user's computer. Like I said, it's easy and worth to write such an installer and make the package 100% legal and bulletproof (providing all the software in the package is included properly - according to each program's readme and license OR with specific permission for this purpose).

This way the Unofficial Boing Bag can be promoted everywhere, on OSNews and other servers, distributed on Amiga Future CD, etc. Wouldn't it be great?

[AmiKit]

I keep hearing how easy it is to do this installer.  If this is so easy why hasn't it already been done?  Amikit has been saying on here for years that he would do it and never has.  Now that someone else is trying he's back with how easy it is.  If this is so easy, go make a "bullet proof" BB3 yourself and I'm sure Gulliver will gladly make this one dissapear.  Gulliver isn't doing this for glory or fame.  He's doing it because of his love of the Amiga.  Which brings up one of the biggest problems with the Amiga scene these days.  There are too many people calling the shots who haven't even turned on an Amiga in years.

dannyp, please, I've done it already. Look at the "Install Patches" inside AmiKit package (also attached here). If you want it for real Amiga too, you can modify it yourself as well, the working example is there (just ignore the "second run", "third run" etc. parts. They are there to install new patches if the script was already used before).
With regards to BB3 legal status, I am just pointing out the objective facts. If you have problem with that, don't blame me. In addition I am showing a real solution how to make the package legal and thus worldwide available. What more do you want me to do and why?

As said before there is a user trying to contact Amiga Inc. regarding OS 3.9, but should he try to contact Hyperion too? And what about Haage & Partner?
By the way Amiga Inc. is still unreachable by email. Can anyone help?

Don't waste your time contacting AInc or Haage.. I know what I am talking about. Anyway, if .pch solution is used, contacting them is not necessary at all.

[AmiKit]

I will just repeat what I already said.  If making a BB3 is so easy, why is this the first real effort that has been made to do it.  People have been pleading for years to get this done and now that someone is actually making it happen, all the naysayers are coming out of the woodwork.  This doesn't need to be "bullet proof".  It Needs to get into the hands of Amiga users who actually still use their Amiga's.  Please don't tell me how easy this is to do, show me.

At first you were talking about installer, now you are talking about easyness of creating the whole package. Make up your mind. Btw. I've already created both so I see no reason why should I show anything more to you. I will just repeat what I already said. Feel free to modify the already existing script. Merry Christmas.

[AmiKit]

Amikit said:  "At first you were talking about installer, now you are talking about easyness of creating the whole package. Make up your mind. Btw. I've already created both so I see no reason why should I show anything more to you."

We must be missing something in the translation between native languages here.  If you have allready done all of this why are Gulliver and his crew wasting their time doing what you have already done?

I know you have an installer for installing patches on your emulation.  This is for real Amiga's.

You are taking what I am saying personally and it is not meant to be that way.  You have a wonderful web site that I have visited many times and donated money to more than once.  It is a great resource for the community.  I just don't consider the BB3 project to be easy or it would have been done long before now.  I know that I couldn't do what they are doing or I would have already done it myself.

dannyp1, all what I am saying is that I've done SIMILAR package+installer for AmiKit.
Now when BB3 package is ready for real Amiga (thanks to Gulliver and others), there's only one more step to make it legal and thus promotable worldwide: the proper .pch installer. And that's easy according to my experience. I've also published my installer script as an example for anyone who wants to try it. That's all.

[AmiKit]

>This way the Unofficial Boing Bag can be promoted everywhere, on OSNews and other servers

There is nothing stopping it being promoted as is.

Wrong. See SilvrDrgn's post #75

[AmiKit]

That doesn't stop them from mentioning it. No one is proposing that OSNews should be distributing the package, they are a news site not a download site.

Wrong. See Yo's post.

[AmiKit]

We're talking about OSNews not amigaworld.

And what is the difference?? Btw. I haven't noticed any real arguments against SilvrDrgn's and Yo's claims. I won't participate in this discussion with you until I see some. Sorry.