men.... feck linux!

[bhoggett]

Another hilarious thread, with some people demonstrating a remarkable lack of understanding of what they are using, or else stuck with a mentality and ideas from ten years ago.

Let's see: "Linux ix slow and bloated." Bollox. Some Linux distros have default installations which are bloated, yes. Modern mainstream Linux distros are not suited for use with ancient hardware with the default installation, also yes. In both cases, either use optimised distros for your need or tweak one of the main ones to remove everything that you don't need.

"Windows is faster than Linux on the same hardware." Again, bunkum. Default Windows desktops are faster than default KDE or Gnome, yes. That's because default Windows desktops are actually quite spartan both in fuctionality and features. Add enough third party tweaks to Windows to bring it to the same level of features as KDE and Gnome, and Windows slows down considerably.

"AmigaOS is the king of user-friendly". Oh boy! There's a time warp if ever I saw one. AmigaOS was user-friendly 10 years ago, relatively speaking, but not today. By today's standards, even when compared to Linux, AmigaOS is a nightmare for anyone except those who have a decade of familiarity behind them. Not only is quite a lot of stuff counter-intuitive really, but there is little consistency and far too many missing features for a modern OS.

Try getting AmigaOS to print to a network printer, for instance, then think how much trouble a complete AmigaOS novice would have.

No, AmigaOS is only a panacea in the mind of the few and the ignorant, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. They say "ignorance is bliss", and in this case it is most certainly true. :-P

[bhoggett]

@Roj wrote:

If the "ignorant" Amiga users are getting the things done with their Amigas that PC users who can only get work done if they're in front of a 3 GHz Pentium do, then the choice of the word ignorant is as poor as you can get.

Like what? Hmm? What do Amiga users do that PC users need 3 GHz for?

You may diss people who get work done with less. I've got nothing but respect for them. Having a faster computer doesn't make you a better person. A more arrogant person perhaps, but certainly not a better one.

I diss people who talk BS. Spreading ignorance and myths to make themselves appear smarter or more savvy than your average user. I don't diss people who do more with less, but judgung by this thread what you have is people who diss other operating systems on the basis of their own prejudice and ignorance.

I've always said, the less you know about computers, the faster they need to be.

Really? How does that match up with the general ignorance of many Amiga users? They may know a lot about AmigaOS and Amigas, but they know nothing about anything else.

The only exception to this rule is the playing of games. I've worked with people who got more work done in a week on <20MHz processors (not Amigas) than many people with 3GHz systems will get done in a year. Which of those deserves more respect?

Neither. It has to do with their familiarity with their tools, not with the quality of what they are using.

Sure, a 3GHz processor won't make for a much better text editor, but you won't get much rendering or modelling done on that 20MHz processor. See?

And, of course, I post this with only the nicest of intentions. :-D

I'm sure you do. I'm not against efficient systems, or people who know how to use them. What I object to is people taking advantage of ignorance to spread a load of FUD and outright BS.

AmigaOS is small and efficient. It is also primitive by modern standards and does a lot of things very badly indeed, if at all.

[bhoggett]

@Roj

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I thought you might have come up with some concrete arguments, but instead it's all soundbytes. All this stuff about "creative people do more with less" is meaningless. Creativity is not linked to resources. Creative people will get better results with more resources than they will with less. Non-creative people will do very little no matter what they use.

I can only assume that you are one of those people who wear blinkers stamped with the slogan "Amiga = Good; Anything else = Bad".

Yes, I am saying that a lot of Amiga users have no understanding of other systems. They don't want to understand other systems because they assume even before they start that no other system could possibly be as good as an Amiga anyway. Read this thread properly: people complaining that the Linux UI is not user-friendly... Huh? People complaining that a default Mandrake 10.0 installation is not responsive on their PII/350.  Doh! There are other distros, aimed at low resource systems. Use those, or customise the Mandrake install to suit the resources.

You know what? AmigaOS4 won't even run on an A500. Geez, that must make it really bad, eh? How many people kept saying they wouldn't touch MUI applications because they ran too slow on their 680020/2MB/AGA systems? That makes MUI bad too, right?

This isn't about what Microsoft want or don't want, nor is it about philosophy. Progress means technology advances all the time. Better technology means one can do more. It has nothing to do with creativity and everything to do with productivity. A creative person will do more if his render takes 5 hours than if it takes two weeks. If you're suggesting differently then you have a set of values that is beyond my (and I would guess, 99.9% of the rest of world's population) comprehension.

This isn't about digging a ditch with a shovel rather than a bulldozer. It's more like doing it with a teaspoon. In frozen ground.

My point is that there are a number of things AmigaOS is not good at, and that this is not a quality. Equally, trying to pretend that nothing has changed in the last ten years, and that AmigaOS compares as well today in relation to its rivals as it did then is simply not going to enhance anyone's credibility, because it simply isn't true.

Any system that fails to recognise its deficiencies cannot evolve.