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Re: Will Amiga ever live again?
« on: June 26, 2004, 03:51:21 PM »
One of the reasons why Amiga will never be anything again is the users. More precisely, the inability of a number of users to evolve their ideas past what they were 15 years ago.

It's like listening to some old codger who tells everyone how things were much better back in the days of oil lamps, candles and goose-quill pens, just because he could get the finest smelling oil and the best candles and kept the fattest geese back then, and he's never seen anyone get better ones since.
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Re: Will Amiga ever live again?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2004, 06:14:20 PM »
@Hyperspeed wrote:

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I prefer to use a different analogy: a gold prospector from the Klondike reminiscing about the good old days when there was gold in them thar hills.


Not really, because gold doesn't devalue as technology advances. The Amiga did. What might have been cool 12-15 years ago is most certainly not cool now. Not the technology and not the ideas.

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All that needs to be done is for some brave soul in the management of Amiga Inc. to sell (at a profit) the copyrights, patents etc. to a large corporation with good distribution outlets.


And why would any company in such a position want to buy all that junk? You can't sell something that has no value.

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And I don't mean Eyetech who are just a small repair shop in England, I'm thinking some of the original bidders from the original Escom deal - Samsung!


What would Samsung want with it? The Escom deal was ten years ago. Why would Samsung want to buy technology that might have been of some interest then but has not advanced at all since then?

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Why not even Motorolla? HELLO MOTO! Ariba Amiga!


Same problem as above. You can't sell that which no one wants.

It's time everyone in the Amiga scene, users as well as developers, accept that Amigas are no longer in the Premier League of computing, and that it is highly unlikely it will ever return there. The rest of the industry moves at amazing speeds these days, and the Amiga scene is just too small and primitive to be able to keep up, never mind regain a leading position.

Despite recent developments in the AmigaOne, Pegasos etc, Amigas are still falling further behind the rest of the industry.
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Re: Will Amiga ever live again?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2004, 07:00:30 PM »
@HopperJF wrote:
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AmigaOne?  :-)


Yes? What about it? It doesn't contain any Amiga technology or anything else Amiga might be able to sell. As for Eyetech, let me put it this way: if Samsung wanted to release some sub-mediocre overpriced technology, they wouldn't need to go to Eyetech for it.

The reason no one else except Eyetech and Genesi has produced systems like these is not that no one else thought of it or no one else had the technology. It's because everyone else who thought of it realised it would be a waste of time and money.
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Re: Will Amiga ever live again?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2004, 07:32:59 PM »
@MarkTime

I hear what you're saying, but again I fail to see what Amigas would have to offer, even if you did target the niche markets.

Looking at embedded systems and kiosks, people are not after a user level OS. What is needed there is a developer friendly OS that gives a high level of stability. In all honesty I fail to see how AmigaOS or MorphOS would be more suitable than an embedded customised Linux solution. At the end of the day users of kiosks etc don't care what OS the system is running on, only that it does what it says on the tin and does it reliably.

Being small might be an advantage if you're forward looking and carry no baggage, but that's not the Amiga scene. The Amiga scene is backward looking and carrying tons of baggage, and Amiga users are some of the most conservative in existence as this thread goes some way to prove. They don't want new and revolutionary. They want to return to what they had ten years ago or more.

Look what's on offer: a couple of pretty low-tech systems backed up with a couple of distinctly immature and non-descript operating systems, none of which offers anything unique or compelling. Buying in costs an arm and a leg, and requires that the user not be too demanding in his requirements (a modern browser or office suite being a bit too much to ask for, not to mention a practically non-existent networking infrastructure).

Except for the fanatical Amigan and the gadget meister, who'd want one and why?
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Re: Will Amiga ever live again?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2004, 07:36:18 PM »
@mdwh2

What new users?
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Re: Will Amiga ever live again?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2004, 10:34:38 AM »
@mdwh2 wrote:
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This is the problem with a task bar as it is usually implemented - I can't click on one icon, and suddenly have an associated group of programs/windows spring up (I'm on Windows 2000, I don't know how improved XP is here?)

It works with Linux, but XP doesn't add anything to this aspect that Win2k didn't have.

Personally, I've never missed draggable screens. The only use I had for them was to switch between Amiga programs that ran at different resolutions and colour depths, either because of the program's supported resolutions being hardcoded, or because of the Amiga's chip memory constraints.

After I switched to using graphics cards, I never missed draggable screens at all.
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