just saw the worrying Poseidon news

[bhoggett]

Poseidon support for the Spider has been terminated due to issues between Chris Hodges and Elbox.

Elbox are supposedly preparing to release their own stack for use with the Spider, but AFAIK this has not happened yet.

Alternatively, the next release of OpenPCI should allow Guido Mersmann's ArakAttack driver to work with ordinary Amigas. Of course, if you have an A1200 with a Mediator, you probably won't have OpenPCi support either, so you have no choice except to rely on Elbox.

Welcome to today's real Amiga scene!   :-(

[bhoggett]

@tjaoz

Why don't you shut up and write that stack for Elbox?

Otherwise, take Chris Hodges to court for the alleged breach of contract or STFU!

Everyone in the Amiga community is fed up with your trolling in every thread. It wouldn't surpise me at all to find that the coward who posted a "how-to-crack-Poseidon" guide on the amithlonopen list was you.

Yes, ArakAttack drivers do not include Poseidon registrations either - for now. OTOH, users are not being ripped off by being made to pay for something which cannot be used, which is the case for the Spider.

Elbox have always been totally hostile to all other developers, and have a track record for bad relations. No wonder no one wants to support them.

The ironic thing is that Elbox excuse their inclusion of trojans in their software by claiming to be combating piracy, while at the same time their most fanatical supporters are involved in open piracy.

[bhoggett]

@tjaoz

I rather find you as such permanent troll. If you do not like my posts, simply stop reading them.

Hardly. Not only are you intent on damaging a developer, but you troll by posting 6 replies to every one post.

Maybe this is you 'who posted a "how-to-crack-Poseidon" guide on the amithlonopen list' to allow using Poseidon with ArakAttack without the registration key?

And why would I do that? I not me who hates Chris Hodges, it's you. It's not ArakAttack users who will not get support with Poseidon, it's Elbox customers.
 

Have you registered the Poseidon stack?

Why would I do that? I don't have a Spider, since I wouldn't touch any Elbox product with a bargepole, and I don't use ArakAttack as I have no need for USB on the few occasions I use AmigaOS.

AFAIK Elbox have much more drivers for their PCI solution than any other manufacturer. It proves that they have excellent relations with real, honest software developers.

Really? Shall we dig up the way they broke the licensing conditions on the P96 dev kit? Or the way they sold the Spider II with "Amithlon support" without telling the general public that they couldn't use it yet? Or the recriminations and name calling they indulged in with Hyperion before agreeing a deal over the Warp3D drivers for Voodoo 3 cards? Or the way they claimed thay had Voodoo 4 and 5 specific drivers when they were only Voodoo 3 drivers that worked with Voodoo 4 and 5 but without the advanced features being supported? Or the viruses they put in their software and the LIES they told when denying the existence of those trojans? Or how about the long list of drivers they said they had in development years ago which have never materialised.

No... let's not bother. You'd need to extract your head from your rectum before you could see any of that, and we all know that's asking too much of you.

[bhoggett]

@-D-

Yes, it's time this thread was put out of its misery. What started out as a simple enquiry that got factual but neutral answers has degenerated into YAF (Yet Another Farce or Yet Another Flamefest, take your pick).

I wish I didn't let myself get dragged into these things. :roll:

@mantisspider

The problem with the Amiga market isn't the mighty dollar, it's the lack of the mighty dollar. Everyone is so busy fighting over the few remaining scraps that they neglect what they set out to do in the first place.

[bhoggett]

@tjaoz

Maybe you posted this 'how-to-crack-Poseidon' guide in order to convince Hodges to finally begin Poseidon registration for ArakAttack users. Now he has no choice, if he does not want to lose money he should very quickly start the Poseidon registration for the ArakAttack users. It looks like Amithlon funs have much more 'effective methods' to convince Hodges to support their platform than Mediator users have ever had.

This is a lie, as I would expect from tjaoz aka Rat.

The person who posted the how-to-crack guide is not an Amithlon "fun" and is most likely not a user either. His name is certainly not Dan Gaines and he is not in the UK either, despite the e-mail address used.

The person in question joined the mailing list less than a week before posting the crack, and that was the only post he ever made. It was cross posted to the amithlonopen, amithlon and Mediator mailing lists. The purpose was simply to damage Chris Hodges and nothing else.

So, considering that you tell lies about what happened and try to blame genuine users, and considering that "Dan Gaines" posted in bad English which showed it was not his native laguage, I'm quite certain the culprit is you.

As for Hodges making Poseidon available with ArakAttack, this was always going to happen in good time, as was posted by the ArakAttack author when he released the driver. The piracy episode has had no effect whatsoever, except to have the bogus address immediately expelled from both amithlon lists. I have no idea how the mediator list reacted since that forum is of no interest to me.

However, any list that condoned such actions or failed to remove the offending message leaves itself open to closure by YahooGroups for abusing their usage conditions.

As far as I'm concerned Elbox are a bunch of virus writers, no different at all from the scum who write all those Outlook worms. It doesn't matter why they did it, only that they did.

You do not have entitlement to Poseidon 2. End of story. You paid for Poseidon v1 and that's what you got. Hodges never "switched off" your key, he just removed it from the list of keys supported by the updates. Unless you have a written guarantee that you are entitled to free updates for life, you have no case.

As for Elbox having an agreement with Hodges, where is the contract? Where does it say that they are allowed to use Poseidon to activate their virus? Both the lack of a contract and Elbox' criminal abuse of his software entitle Hodges to remove all support from Elbox as he has done.

Now Elbox using their updated drivers to disable competitors' hardware from existing users is another matter. That is unquestionably an abuse of consumer rights, and if I was an affected customer I would definitely make an official complaint against them.

[bhoggett]

@DaveP

Take a look again. Bill H accuses him without substance and the counter accusation came back, I thought to make the point that one could j'accuse anyone. If A accusing B is trolling then you are also calling Bill a troll, which I don't think is valid.

While my accusation is admittedly based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence, his reply contains verifiable untruths.

Why would someone wanting to force CH to support ArakAttack on Amithlon cross-post the crack to the Mediator list? Why would I use a fake UK identity and then post in particularly bad English? Why would anyone feel they have to "force" CH to do something that he was going to do anyway, as announced in the ArakAttack release message?

I think everyone can see why Rat would post the crack, but can anyone see why I would do so?  If you do, let me know, because I can't think of any such reason myself.

You're right that the dispute does not come across as terribly professional on either side. However, I can't blame CH for his actions. Elbox exposed him to potential legal action from any users that may be damaged by their "protection" scheme, not to mention proving beyond doubt that they employ dubious business practices. The only natural reaction for CH would be to distance himself from them as fast as possible, and that includes removing any semblance of support for their products. Bernie was put in the same position by H&P and no choice in his reaction either. The users are the ones to really suffer, of course, but their contract is with the company whose product they bought, in the above cases Elbox and H&P.

H&P are effectively out of the Amiga market now. How long before Elbox go the same way, since neither AmigaOne or Pegasos users have any need for them?