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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« on: November 05, 2003, 09:08:40 PM »
What a surprise. Red Hat pull out of the consumer market, and therefore the home market, and so their CEO talks down Linux in the home to damage the other Linux distributors.

Linux is the fastest improving OS at the moment, and this includes the desktop. Too may people try out Debian and then complain that Linux is not user-friendly enough. DUH!!!

Perhaps folks should try out the latest SuSE or Mandrake and get a real idea of how friendly Linux can be.

Honestly, does anyone seriously claim that the Windows registry (particularly the W2k and XP ones) is user-friendly???
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2003, 02:27:42 PM »
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Well, what he's saying is that their product is not suited for the average home user, and he's right.


No, he's not. He's saying that his competitors' products are not suited for the average home user. That's a very significant difference.
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2003, 02:48:37 PM »
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Yeah, but only experienced users should ber messing with the registry, and some of them really shouldn't be either. There are times when you can tweak things by editing the registry, but i've never seen a case where it's absolutely necessary to edit a registry. It's not like you need to edit the registry every time you install something. Sure some things might get left behind when you uninstall, but so what, hard drives are big and cheap these days!

It's not a question of hard drive space. It's a question of obsolete configurations, or Windows refusing to install something properly because you had it installed before and the uninstall process failed. It's a question of programs you try out and can't then get rid of because they install themselves to start up automatically and have no uninstaller. It's a question of adware and spyware installing itself without giving the user the option of removing it.

Sure, if nothing ever goes wrong you wouldn't need to touch the registry, but things do go wrong and the only way to fix them short of re-installing the whole OS from scratch is to edit the registry.

As for re-installing the whole OS, that not only sucks, but takes much longer to do than Linux (re-install+reconfigure). You should not have to re-install Linux, but doing so is easy because all the confugurations are held in the user's home directory (and therefore don't have to be wiped) while in Windows it's all in the registry, which is often the very reason why you have to re-install Windows in the first place.

I must admit, I've tried Linux a number of times over the years and always found it lacking, so I went back to Windows. However, after WinXP gave me incomprehensible problems again a couple of months ago I switched to the latest Mandrake and now I find it perfectly adequate for all my daily usage. There are still some specialised programs that I can only use in Windows, but then I rarely have to use them anyway.

One thing to note is that I can have a multi-functional system out-of-the-box, without having to pay huge amounts of money to achieve the same functionality with Windows applications. I'm happy that Linux is capable of being a home desktop system already, and I'm no expert. I have absolutely no doubt that it will continue to improve and that the Red Hat CEO's statement is deliberately setting out to damage a sector they no longer cover.
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2003, 07:29:08 PM »
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Installing nvidia's own linux driver requires heavy usage of the command prompt as well as hand-editing of your XF86Config.


Eh? It involves logging into a console and executing a .bin file. That's all there is to installation.

To enable it you need to change ONE entry in the XF86Config (or -4) file from saying "nv" to "nvidia". A few other entries will enable other features, all of which are fully described in the readme.

Hardly rocket science.

Besides, you need to remember that's not an aspect of Linux, but of the way nVidia have chosen to distribute their drivers.

Similarly, the ALSA driver problem you describe tells me you are using either an old distro or a user-unfriendly one. Up to date user-friendly distros do all that for you automatically (and install ALSA drivers by default anyway)

BTW, how many Amigans have never edited a system-startup or user-startup file by hand?
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2003, 11:27:17 PM »
@Waccoon

True. But there are two things to remember: most Linux distros have GUI tools to set the preferences, so you don't have to edit the files by hand, and Linux does far more than AmigaOS ever will.

AmigaOS is simple to follow because it's simplistic and limited. As you said, different beasts altogether.

The fact remains that editing ANY files by hand on a desktop system is an archaic method. I assume AmigaOS4 and MorphOS have automated that side of things so that manual editing is not required for configuration.
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