Pegasos to ship without MorphOS

[bhoggett]

@DaveP

It's most likely that MorphOS isn't shipping with the board because it isn't ready yet.

Either way, there's no reason why a Linux site should bother mentioning MorphOS, AmigaOS etc.

@Ben Hermans

We should point out that everything you say about the legal status of MorphOS is an allegation. If legal action had been taken, then you, as someone in possession of inside knowledge about the case, would not be permitted to comment until that legal action was resolved. That is the law in the UK, and I'm quite sure it is the law in the rest of the EU as well.

Then again, conviction by mob rule/rumour is much cheaper than doing it in a court of law, wouldn't you say?

Don't you think it is high time you minded your own business and let Amiga Inc and bPlan sort out their differences amongst themselves?  :-?

[bhoggett]

Have none of you ever done any retail? The typical mark-up on any product is 100%, the minimum mark-up is ~75%

The markup is usually determined by what the market can bear. Retailers will usually take a lower markup than they are used to if they feel that they need to, or alternatively they will not carry the product. In these days of Intenet marketing and distribution, 100% markups are no longer a necessity to cover the overheads.

I'll hazard a guess that in the Amiga market, with the very low unit numbers traded, markups as high as 75% are probably very rare.

[bhoggett]

@red

"BEWARE! That's a powderkeg!! I'd like to comment but with kid gloves"

I can't find mine. Will bare knuckles do?  No, wait... wrong forum!   :-P

"That is an IF and a WHEN legal action is taken. Until legal action is taken he should be able to comment I'd think."

Yes, except that all such comments should be seen as allegations and nothing more. Last time I looked, "innocent until proven guilty" was still a cornerstone of the modern justice system in most civilised countries.

"That's a bit sharp don't you think?"

Not at all. Have you read ANN lately? (yes, I know you have) Can you honestly say that the mob hasn't already tried, convicted and sentenced MorphOS on the basis of no more evidence than a few allegations by significantly placed people?

...and how can you blame them when the likes of Ben Hermans does exactly the same on this very thread?

Just do me a favour: work out the ratio of legal action per public threat made by Amiga Inc and see what you get. In fact, work out the ratio of official statements per unofficial accusations emanating from the same sources. Spot a pattern yet?

"Considering Hyperion is contracted to do OS4.0, IMO they have a major interest in this whole issue, don't you think?"

Why? I haven't read anything about MophOS being AmigaOS4 compatible, have you?

What I see is the head of a company making unsubstantiated legal accusations against a potential competitor in order to sway public opinion towards his own product.

I bet he's far less forthcoming if you were to ask for a rough estimate on when AOS4 will be released (Q3 2002? Q4? Later?)

[bhoggett]

@red

"I think most people see it as just allegations, even if in their view the available evidence is pretty convincing."

But the available evidence is not complete. You only have half the evidence: that presented by the "prosecution". They're not going to give you any of the evidence that may damage their case, are they? That doesn't mean such evidence doesn't exist.

"Mob? Jack Me and Corpse? Two people now make a mob?"

OK, I'm going to need my asbestos suit for this one again. JackMe, cOrpse, Samface, Amifan, Alkemyst, numerous others who are less active but just as certain about the verdict.

("Shawn" is irrelevant :-D )

"OS4.0? No. OS3.X absolutely, I won't elaborate more on my opinion because it would light the fuse."

But OS 3.x is none of Hyperion's business. They are producing OS4 under license, and unless someone is producing something compatible with OS4 against their wishes, or that someone is using Hyperion IP, they have no legal say in the matter.

"Unsubstantantiated? IMHO that's a bit of a stretch. "

It's unsubstantiated until the allegations can be proved to be true in a court of law. So far, you are justifying the accusations because of reasons given by the accusers. Who says the accusers are telling the truth? Who says they're not hiding crucial information that would invalidate their case?

"IMO there is a reason MOS is not released yet. "

It's not ready yet?  That sounds like a good reason to me. The speculation that the delay is due to removing OS 3.1 reliance is just that: speculation.

"Why give a deadline if you cannot garantee it?"

Absolutely. Equally, if you know the deadline is still a very long way away, you might not want to discourage prospective customers by telling them the truth.

"IIRC MOS was supposed to be released over a year ago?"

I wouldn't know, as I've not followed MorphOS developments that closely. I do remember AOS4 being due sometime last summer though. :-P

"Personally I think if OS4.0 ships by Q3 2002 it will be an amazing feat."

Me too. From the bits and pieces I've been told - and I stress this is not "inside" knowledge and may thus be inaccurate - I don't expect AOS4 to be released with the advertised features until next year sometime. Whether the frenzy of positive anticipation can be maintained that long is debatable. I guess that's why we keep getting fed the various screenshots, even though they aren't running on OS4 yet.

[bhoggett]

@DaveP

Sure, I admit I'm playing devil's advocate, but that's the point I'm trying to make. A large number of people simply accept what people like Mr Hermans tell them without ever stopping to think for themselves.

You need to step back and think "what if...?" a bit more. Who knows, Hermans and Fleecy might be right, but they might not be. They might be telling the truth, and they might not be. There's enough of a motive on all sides for foul play, so why assume Fleecy and Hermans are the angels and bPlan and MorphOS the bad ones? What price an open mind?

I haven't taken it to e-mail because what I said is meant to get everyone to think. It's not aimed at red personally, and I'm sure he knows it.

We've all been around the Amiga for long enough to know that you shouldn't believe anything until you can either touch it, or it has been confirmed by all parties as true. The alternative to the latter is a court decision.

What I don't believe in are virtual lynch mobs doing the dirty work, or people trying to stir up those mobs, and we all know who I'm referring to.