Why porting Mozilla to Amiga??

[bhoggett]

@trgse

Stop spreading FUD

Qt is NOT FREE!!!!!!!
it's Source is NOT FREEE!!!!!

Then what is this?

Amazing how ignorant some people can be, and how insulting they are to those who don't share their ignorance.

The source for Qt/X11 is free under the GPL. Anybody, including Apple, can make a port of it to any platform starting from that basis, as long as the port is also released under the GPL.

@all: back on-topic

Actually, Mozilla is quite slow, and even Firebird (formerly Phoenix) doesn't exactly fly. However, I'd put it somewhere in the IE speed class unless you have seriously misconfigured something.

Browsers like Opera and Konqueror are actually faster, but not as complete. I still have to switch to Mozilla to properly view or access a number of sites because Konqueror and Opera can't do the job properly.

As for Amiga browsers? With all due respect to the developers who I am sure are both competent and hard-working, the fact remains that Amiga browsers are somewhere near the bottom of the pile, only worth using when there is no alternative.

Mozilla for Amiga? Well, if people want to do it, why not? Even for 68k, it should be able to run fine on emulated systems, be that MOS, AOS4, UAE or Amithlon, and porting it to PPC from there should be relatively easy.

As for the Qt/GTK/XUL debate, that's a different issue. Of course it would benefit any OS to have Qt and/or GTK+ ported to it, as that would open up the porting of many quality apps, but I don'tt see why this should be a major consideration in deciding which browser to port.

While Mozilla may be slowest of the options for porting, it also happens to be the most complete.

@bbrv

The Opera guys are not the naive big-headed teenagers you make them out to be. They simply play in a bigger league than you do, so things like MorphOS are too insignificant to register with them. If you don't like the price move on, but stop making derisory comments about anyone you can't do a deal with.  

[bhoggett]

@Rodney

Could you be more precise when you say its slow? Are you refering to load time, render time, UI slowness?

Load time is the worst culprit, as you say. However, even the rendering time and UI fail to give a feeling of "zip".

Firebird does help somewhat with the loading time, as it's Mozilla minus the non-browser rubbish (e-mail and news client, HTML editor, etc). However, unless your system is at the lower end of the scale, actual performance when browsing is pretty much the same. (on lower end systems there will be a difference, as Firebird has a smaller resource footprint).

Note I'm not saying Gecko is a particularly slow performer, but it isn't the fastest either. Galeon performs similarly on my Linux installation to Mozilla or Firebird in actual browing.

By comparison, Opera absolutely flies and even Konqueror feels snappier.

I don't mean this as a slur on Mozilla. I still use it or Firebird by preference on my Windows system, and Galeon on Linux.

If you could match Mozilla's compatibility with Opera's performance, you'd be on to a winner!  :-D

[bhoggett]

@bbrv

All I'm saying is that if you are incapable of showing respect to others then you shouldn't expect any yourself, and if you happen to represent a company and product too, then they will be tarred with the same brush you are.

Since you always threat anyone who doesn't agree with you as an ignorant moron, why should anyone show any respect to you, unless they feel indebted to you for your generosity?

Not everyone's principles are for sale, so if you act like a spoilt child I reserve the right to say so, no matter what level of superiority you think your "achievemnts" have earned you.


The Opera people make their money from advertising or selling registrations. This is how development for their product is supported. The number of MorphOS users is so tiny that neither advertising not registration would make it worth developing and supporting a port. If you don't like the price they quote you, go and write your own or buy someone elses. It's very simple, isn't it? Why do you have to deride everyone who doesn't do business with you?

 :-(

[bhoggett]

@bbrv

Remember your email to us?

Yes, what about it? It's content has nothing to do with this conversation, or indeed anything else. It was also written in reply to your sending me unsolicited e-mail, something I recall you doing on a number of occasions?

I wonder why you have this habit of bringing up what is supposed to be private e-mail in public? (not that there's anything incriminating or even inconsistent in the mail in question. Or even private at the end of the day.)