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Offline KimmoK

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Re: Is Amiga NG underpowered?
« on: May 12, 2015, 01:37:46 PM »
Quote from: ElPolloDiabl;788991
Is Amiga NG underpowered and that is why I don't want to buy one?
Any chance of us moving to an ARM platform?

IMO:
-our current PowerPC HW is powerfull enough for the SW that we have
-our current PowerPC HW is "only" too expensive (vs performance) or out of production
-ARM does not provide more power vs PowerPC, x86 does

To get good performance at low end we perhaps should have:
-200eur PPC system (doable as servergy once calculated, 2-4core at 1,4Ghz would be OK)
-use existing HW, like RPi2, but it's slower than our current PPC HW, especially without 3D drivers
-use some x86 design that is available for longer (than normal 3month production) periode
-develop multicore support (it would double the performance of x1000 system or x5000 system, on RPi2 it would boost the speed almost 4x)

( Initially, as I do not control the leading Amiga flavors (Aos4 or morphOS) I personally should focus in helping affordable PPC HW to market. Trying to, actually, but lack of time & focus...)
« Last Edit: May 12, 2015, 01:51:06 PM by KimmoK »
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Offline KimmoK

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Re: Is Amiga NG underpowered?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2015, 07:45:32 AM »
Quote from: danbeaver;789184
I thought we were discussing how under powered the PPC CPU and its architecture were...   Not the price.

Page 13 should tell that PPC is not underpowered, at least not for every use...
http://www.freescale.com/files/training_pdf/FTF/2012/americas/WBNR_FTF12_NET_F0027.pdf
;-)

Some examples of blender speed:
23s blender 2,58 G5 2.5Ghz?? QUADcore (OSX)
27s Blender 2.73a AMD A4-3400 APU 2.7 Ghz (2 cores in use) WinXp pro 32bit
112s blender 2.62 PA6T 1.8Ghz Dualcore (LinuxMint)
113s blender 2.62 G4 1.8Ghz DualCPU !

(IIRC, world fastest blender render tests are done in 3s or so, at those speeds one surely must have also very fast HW overall (SSD and perhaps some GL-GPU help even?).)

It would be cool to see how fast blender renders on T4240 development board... could it reach 50% of fastest single CPU i7 systems????
(I have so far not seen any render tests done by e5500 or e6500 core devices.)

more.... vs price thinking:
Locally I found available:
-PlaystationTV e50
-RPi2+case+PSU+etc e90
-tablet e70...xxxx
-modern games console e300...500
-x64 Win8 laptop e199...1xxx
-x64 Win8 Desktop PC e199...5xxx
-x64 Win8 gaming pc e700...5xxx
-Apple OSX computer e1000...4xxx
-old, working G5 mac e100

(-my AOS4.1 system cost me ~1000 including everything, it has RPi caliber CPU but better I/O)

some components:
-intel CPU e80...3XXX (local)
-AMD cpu e60...2XX (local)
-t1014 e40????
-T1042 e80
-T208X e150

.... in HW wise, IMO we mainly lack A1200 kind of NEW low end AmigaLike at game console price range or cheaper, so more people could try it to see if it is any FUN or usable

more...:
-With tablet caliber CPU (2...4 cores @ 1,4...1,8Ghz) and 2D GFX we should be able to do similar productivity stuff than is possible with mainstream tablet HW (we need the SW)
-when RadeonHD GPU is added, we should be able to do similar 3D stuff as tablets and low end games consoles & cheapest low end x86 laptops & dekstops (we need the SW)
-For some high performance needs e6500 core based SoCs should be ok (but not super good and not for every need, especially if maximized single core throughput is essential). (but we need the SW)

We need more powerfull CPUs when we have SW that is slow on the HW that we have (/can afford).

So, IMO, in this order
#1 we need more SW
#2 we need more affordable low end HW (with useable performance, IMO: tablet caliber of performance)
#3 we need multicores taken in use
...
« Last Edit: May 13, 2015, 11:43:21 AM by KimmoK »
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