An executioner explains

[metalman]

JaXanim wrote:
I found the whole thing utterly barbaric. That this was televised is revolting enough, but the questions asked by the interviewers were equally sick and voyeuristic. That this so-called 'man' could surround himself with children and utter such words over them left me numbed. I know nothing, nor do I wish to learn anything of that culture, but what I witnessed was not, in my opinion, anything related to civilisation.

JaX

I thought the host questions showed a morbid interest in the details.

What was your most difficult beheading?
Have you ever beheaded someone you knew?
Do you execute both men and women?
Do you feel anything different when you execute a woman or a man? We know you are merely carrying out [the sentence], but what do you feel?
When you behead more than three or four people at once, does it affect you?
Do you need a break between executions? Does it affect you or not?
we've heard that one day, you were executing several people, and the sword broke. Is that true? Tell us that story, please.
What time do you get up? Do you eat a special breakfast?
All these details are very important to us.

[metalman]

CannonFodder wrote:

Is the custom of beheading murderers anyless "civilised" than electrocuting them to death via the cranuim?

The legal system and the equality, fairness and justice it renders are what make a system civilised.

[metalman]

CannonFodder wrote:

I am confused. Beheading murderers would be civilized if it was performed in America?

Long drop hanging would be the traditional American method. Receint innovations were the electric chair and lethal injection.

Beheading is a French and Islamic traditional method.

The British method of hanging, drawing and quartering for High Treason is what is being refered to as "cruel and unusual punishment" in the US Constitution:

“That you be drawn on a hurdle to the place of execution where you shall be hanged by the neck and being alive cut down, your privy members shall be cut off and your bowels taken out and burned before you, your head severed from your body and your body divided into four quarters to be disposed of at the King’s pleasure.”

...

Mary Blandy uttered the famous words, "for the sake of decency, gentlemen, don't hang me high". (April 6th, 1752)

[metalman]

CannonFodder wrote:

Long drop hanging would be the traditional American method. Receint innovations were the electric chair and lethal injection.

An *illegal* cruel and unusual punishment

Angel Nieves Diaz was sentenced to death in 1986 for the murder during a robbery of bar manager Joseph Nagy in Miami on December 22nd, 1979. Angel Nieves Diaz, while robbing The Velvet Swing topless club with two accomplices, shot manager Joseph Nagy with a silencer-equipped gun.  Diaz had a long criminal history including a murder conviction and an escape from prison in his native Puerto Rico and another prison escape in Connecticut.

The French will award him an honorary citizenship and naming a street in his honor soon ...

[metalman]

CannonFodder wrote:

metalman wrote:

CannonFodder wrote:

I am confused. Beheading murderers would be civilized if it was performed in America?

Long drop hanging would be the traditional American method. Receint innovations were the electric chair and lethal injection.

Beheading is a French and Islamic traditional method.

The British method of hanging, drawing and quartering for High Treason is what is being refered to as "cruel and unusual punishment" in the US Constitution:

“That you be drawn on a hurdle to the place of execution where you shall be hanged by the neck and being alive cut down, your privy members shall be cut off and your bowels taken out and burned before you, your head severed from your body and your body divided into four quarters to be disposed of at the King’s pleasure.”

...

Mary Blandy's uttered the famous words, "for the sake of decency, gentlemen, don't hang me high". (April the 6th, 1752)

That is an horrific way to die too.

But you still haven't answered the question.

Would beheading murderers be civilized if it was performed in America?

The fairness of the legal system is the what determines "civilized", not the method of execution.

[metalman]

CannonFodder wrote:

An *illegal* cruel and unusual punishment

Angel Nieves Diaz was sentenced to death in 1986 for the murder during a robbery of bar manager Joseph Nagy in Miami on December 22nd, 1979. Angel Nieves Diaz, while robbing The Velvet Swing topless club with two accomplices, shot manager Joseph Nagy with a silencer-equipped gun.  Diaz had a long criminal history including a murder conviction and an escape from prison in his native Puerto Rico and another prison escape in Connecticut.[/quote]

This cut'n'paste is relevant to the question, how exactly?[/quote]

consider his crime(s). he wasn't worried about cruel and unusual when he committed his crimes.

[metalman]

CannonFodder wrote:

But you still haven't answered the question.

Would beheading murderers be civilized if it was performed in America?

Beheading may be accomplished, with an axe, sword, or knife, or by means of a guillotine.

The guillotine was considered (19th century) for use in the United States as a legal method of execution before introduction of the electric chair. Audiences to French guillotinings told numerous stories of blinking eyelids, moving eyes, movement of the mouth.

Historically execution by beheading uses a sword (or axe) was considered the "honourable" way to die for an aristocrat.  If the executioner was clumsy, multiple strokes might be required to sever the head.

Only Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Qatar now execute by beheading with the sword, but only Saudi Arabia is known to carry out the sentence: a curved, single-edged sword is used.

Long drop hanging occasionally resulted in unintentional decapitation, such as "Black Jack" Tom Ketchum in New Mexico in 1901. His head was sewn back onto his body for burial.

The french (considered by some the most civilized society) had beheadings by guillotine until 1981.

The fairness of the legal system is the what determines "civilized", not the method of execution.

[metalman]

CannonFodder wrote:

What he has done is not the issue here.  The issue is that your legal system says that the method used to execute him is illegal.

Would it be civilised to chop his head off with a sword?

Each state determines what method it will use for capital punishment. The US Constitution only prohibits "Cruel and Unusual".

Lethal injection used to execute Angel Diaz is still legal in Florida. Gov Bush created a commission to review the state's lethal injection procedure to avoid missing anymore veins. (better technique).

A Judge in California imposed a moratorium on executions in California, declaring that California's method of lethal injection runs the risk of violating the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

The guillotine is the French approved "civilised" way to remove heads.  The English used an axe or a sword to behead.

None of these methods are "Cruel and Unusual".

[metalman]

Karlos wrote:
@Cannonfodder

CannonFodder wrote:

metalman wrote:
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The guillotine is the French approved "civilised" way to remove heads.  The English used an axe or a sword to behead.

None of these methods are "Cruel and Unusual".

That's as maybe, but "Would beheading murderers be civilized if it was performed in America?"

I think he said yes.

one word answers not allowed!

;-)

[metalman]

nadoom wrote:

Supermax prisons:
In the states i imagine rotting in a supermax prison is a worse fate than death, that is what i call cruel and unusual punishment. Imagine no contact with any human being ever again, no death to spare your mind while you go slowly insane, how can that be allowed? some things are worse much worse than death, its really quite horrible the level to which humans can stoop.

Prison Pen Pals.com., Cyberspace Inmates, Penn-Pals-Prison Inmate Service Network, Transcend the Walls and Cell Pals are but a few internet sites that routinely list personal ads from inmates, including many on death row. Many death row inmates use the Internet to run scams, obtain money and attract followers.

Triple killer Michael E. Correll is a death row Casanova and a self-described lover of "animals and nature" who's apparently getting women he meets on the Internet to help finance his legal defense. His Ad is posted on the Web site of the Canadian Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty. Correll, was sentenced to death in 1984 after being convicted of murdering three people in Phoenix. 1 was strangled; 2 were shot to death. Correll and another man,  went to a trailer to rob the victims of money and drugs.  On his site Correll claims he was wrongly convicted of murder. He says he is seeking "sincere and caring hearts" who wish "to bring the light of day" into his life. He provides a Fabio style picture of himself, showing his muscular body and long hair. His ads have attracted several women followers around the world.

[metalman]

CannonFodder wrote:

My decision on whether you are civilized will have to be postponed until I know, as it is a known empirical fact that Americans cannot make tea properly.

Make tea, add lots of ice, very refreshing!
Drink it by the gallon.
 :cheers:
 :lol:
 :-P

[metalman]

GadgetMaster wrote:

Yes...quite disgusting!....... Savages aren't they!!?.  :lol:  

Us Brits we even repair aeroplanes with teapots (How British is that!) and these Americans choose to desecrate our traditions with foul recipes :roll:

Concern after Nimrod aircraft 'teapot fix'

American Heritage Dictionary - nim·rod   (nĭm'rŏd')  
 
   1.  A person regarded as silly, foolish, or stupid.
   2.  also Nimrod A hunter.

:lol:

Iced tea:
 brewed from Black tea, served in tall iced filled glasses, with a long spoon and slice of lemon.

 :cheers:

[metalman]

CannonFodder wrote:

metalman wrote:

Concern after Nimrod aircraft 'teapot fix'

American Heritage Dictionary - nim·rod   (nĭm'rŏd')  
    1.  A person regarded as silly, foolish, or stupid.
    2.  also Nimrod A hunter.

:lol:

Nimrod was the grandson of Ham, and the great grandson of Noah.

Don't you Americans know your Bible?

know   (nō)  
   1. To perceive directly; grasp in the mind with clarity or certainty.
   2. To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.
   3. To have a practical understanding of, as through experience; be skilled in: knows how to cook.
   4. To have fixed in the mind: knows her Latin verbs.
   5. To have experience of: "a black stubble that had known no razor" (William Faulkner).
   6.a. To perceive as familiar; recognize: I know that face.
     b. To be acquainted with: He doesn't know his neighbors.
   7. To be able to distinguish; recognize as distinct: knows right from wrong.
   8. To discern the character or nature of: knew him for a liar.
   9. Archaic, To have sexual intercourse with.

Depends on what your definition of "Know" is.

[metalman]

KThunder wrote:

harrier jump-jet  thats a cool plane.
any amiga flight sims have it in them?
i had a sim for the c64 that had an american f4 in it that was pretty cool too.

The A10 Warthog Amiga game was pretty good. ;-)

[metalman]

metalman wrote:

CannonFodder wrote:

Nimrod was the grandson of Ham, and the great grandson of Noah.

Don't you Americans know your Bible?

know   (nō)  
   1. To perceive directly; grasp in the mind with clarity or certainty.
   2. To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.
   3. To have a practical understanding of, as through experience; be skilled in: knows how to cook.
   4. To have fixed in the mind: knows her Latin verbs.
   5. To have experience of: "a black stubble that had known no razor" (William Faulkner).
   6.a. To perceive as familiar; recognize: I know that face.
     b. To be acquainted with: He doesn't know his neighbors.
   7. To be able to distinguish; recognize as distinct: knows right from wrong.
   8. To discern the character or nature of: knew him for a liar.
   9. Archaic, To have sexual intercourse with.

Depends on what your definition of "Know" is.

It also depends on which Bible version you're refering to.

The New Progressive Bible with revised inspirational stories of moral relativism, wealth redistribution and equality of outcome for all, is favored by progressive Democratic party members. The Progressive Bible is wisdom-free. All opinions of narrow-minded and provincial ethical piety have been removed.

Progressive Bible: Book of Joshua

...and the Proletariat spoke unto Joshua saying "Jericho is a quagmire" and "No Blood for Milk and Honey".

And Joshua did consult the polls, saying "Let it be done according to the Party.  Let us gird our loins in garter belts and fishnet stockings and go forth unto Sodom and Gomorrah with the Ark of Non-Binding Suggestions.  There, with federal funding, we will offer up excuses and apologies and rebuild what was destroyed.  There we will raise a monument so that our children and our children's children might know the sins we have committed against the Canaanites."