Extreme Amiga overclocking.

[BoingBoss]

As always, I do not recommend over-clocking a processor.  In fact, some processor boards for the Amiga 2000 need to be "under-clocked".  For instance, the Progressive 2000 / 040 board has a 25 MHz 68040 chip that is clocked at 28 MHz.  It uses a 56 MHz crystal.  I am looking for a 50 MHz crystal so I can clock this board at 25 MHz, like it should have been done to begin with.  Then this board will be a lot more stable and will run much cooler.  If you guys actually need a lot of speed, then get yourself a PC computer.  The Amiga was designed to do WORK.  It was not designed to be fast.  To give you an idea of what I am talking about think about this:  a car is faster then a locomotive, but a car can only pull 1 or 2 more cars.  A locomotive can pull hundreds of cars.  One was designed for speed and the other was designed to do actual work.

[BoingBoss]

If these people want to play Quake then they should get themselves a PC computer.  The PC version of Quake is the best version of the game.  The Nintendo 64 version of Quake is also really good.  Quake II is actually much better then Quake and Star Trek Voyager Elite Force blows them both away.  I have discovered that the most fun games on the PC are the following:

Doom II (Ranked # 1 game of all time)

Blood (Banned in most countries and states)

Shadow Warrior (Also Banned in most countries and states)

Duke Nukem v1.3 (Still played every day on Kali)

Star Trek Voyager Elite Force (Ranked Best Quake Style Game)

Vampire: The Masquerade Redemption (Ranked # 1 RPG Game)

Wings of Glory (Ranked # 1 WWI Flight Simulator)

If I am going to play these kinds of games, I am going to play them on my Pentium 4 PC computer, NOT an Amiga computer.  I use my Amiga computers for what they were intended to be used for- Graphics, Music, and Classic Amiga Games.   :-)

[BoingBoss]

Hi adolescent,

As for reliability, I'd suggest it's your system

My system is an Amiga 2000 Series computer, the highest quality Amiga, so NO, my system is working just fine.  The PP&S 2000/040 board is a piece of crap.  I have it up on eBay for sale.  I am looking for either the GVP 68030 Combo or a Blizzard 68060 Combo board.  I mainly need the extra 32-bit memory, not the faster processor, for 24-bit graphics.  I am staying away from the 68040 processor.  They are the worst of the 68000 Series processors.

[BoingBoss]

Hi Brian,

Every time you get the chance you promote the old fart A2000 and no it's not the highest quality Amiga. About the 040 CPU I'm prepared to agree with you that it is the worst 68K CPU, though the not so common 3.3V version didn't run nearly as hot and much more stable than the 5V version of the CPU.

YES, the Amiga 2000 is the highest quality Amiga.  Commodore had lowered the quality, to make more profit, starting with the release of the Amiga 3000.  I use to work for Commodore, so I should know.  Brian, do your home work before talking crap!

Now for the 68040 processor.  The XC68040 is the 5 volt version.  The MC68040 is the 3.3 volt version and is very hard to find.  I have been looking for one on eBay for months and have not been able to find one.  All of the sellers only have the XC version for sale.

[BoingBoss]

Hi PMC,

Are you experiencing any instability with your system at 28Mhz, or are you simply downclocking to 25Mhz just to stay within the stated rated speed of the chip?

As always, my system works fine.  I never experience any instability with any of my systems, because I know what I am doing when it comes to the hardware.  Yes, I want to downclock to 25 MHz to stay within the processor's rated speed.

The problem I am having is that my Amiga 2500 will not "see" the memory on the Progressive 2000/040 board.  SysInfo sees the 68040 processor just fine, but not the SIMMs.  I am sure that I have the jumpers set correctly, but just in case, how should they be set?  I need the extra memory because I am working with 24-bit graphics and the 8 megs on the Zorro II bus is not enough.  I need at least 8 to 16 megs of 32-bit memory in order to use my GVP EGS 28/24 Spectrum video board to its fullest potential.   :roll:

[BoingBoss]

Hi Eco,

Doomy, care to explain us the things that make A2000 the "highest quality Amiga" ever? Plenty of detail, please.

All you have to do is take a good look at the way the Amiga 2000 Series computers are built and you will plainly see that they are the best built of all the Amiga models.  Afterall, the Amiga 2000 was designed and made in Germany, so hence the higher quality.  Let's start with the chassis.  It is made out of very heavy gauge steal and is well designed.  The "cross" on the bottom helps make the case more rigid.  The German Amiga Team had decided to use 3mm and 4mm metric machine screws because there are more threads per inch, so less of a chance for stripped out screw holes.  Next let's take a look at the Amiga 2000's power supply.  It is "beefier" and much better made then the power supplies that are found in the other Amiga models.  The cooling fan is made in Japan or Germany and is very high quality.  The electronic parts in the Amiga 2000's power supply are also very high quality (just look at the heat sinks and caps).  Now let's look at the Amiga 2000's motherboard.  It was designed and made in Germany.  It is the higher quality "thru-hole" design, not the lower quality "SMT" design (like the Amiga 600, 1200, 4000, 4000T and the AmigaOne piece of crap).  All of the main chips are socketed for easy replacement or upgrades.  The Zorro, CPU and video slots are on the motherboard, which is a better design.  They are not on a daughter board, which is a poorer design (the Amiga 3000 and 4000 have their slots on a daughter board).  This is the reason why I prefer the Amiga 3000 Tower, because its slots are on the motherboard, just like the Amiga 2000 computer.  Also, the Amiga 3000 Tower has a very nice case and power supply, just like the Amiga 2000.  I can go on and on as to why the Amiga 2000 computer is the highest quality and best built of all the Amiga models, but I think you already get the picture.   :-D

[BoingBoss]

Hi adolescent,

Again with incorrect facts.

No, I am correct.  You yourself even stated that the "MC" version was the one with the lower voltage.

Not all of the 3.3 volt chips had a "v" at the end.  MANY of them were misprinted and sold to companies like Progressive and GVP at a lower cost.

[BoingBoss]

Hi Eco,

Made in Germany: How exactly does this make the product better? Zero argumentative value.

As all smart people know, the countries that produce the highest quality stuff in the world are England, Germany, and Japan.

"argumentive"?!  I am not arguing, I am just stating facts.   :-)

[BoingBoss]

Hi Brian,

I will no longer waste any more of my time on you.  I will only waste my time on people who are wise enough to listen and who are not argumentative.   :roll:

[BoingBoss]

I am just messin with you guys.  You folks sure do take the bait.   :-D

[BoingBoss]

Hi Framiga,

guys!!! don't wast your time with a dude that claims that "to play Quake is better than SEX" !!!

You really should learn how to read.  My Doom II web site, in the Deathmatch area, states that "Doom 2 deathmatch is so much fun that sometimes I think it is better then SEX!".  That area mentions nothing about Quake deathmatch.   :roll: