Alans reply to Bill

[Fats]

Wayne wrote:
It's interesting to see Alan coming out (if it really was him) with a blatant personal attack on Bill Buck where Bill Buck's comment was a sequence of events and was in no way a personal attack or "FUD" (I now loathe that stupid term).

I disagree here. People don't seem to realize that doing business also involves personal contacts with other people. Now somebody asks 'why are all those people turning their back on me ?' and somebody else answers that it is because how he treats his partners.
Now this may be personal but is right on topic and has a good place to be told. I agree that maybe a better wording could have been chosen.
On a sidenote, for me the business tactics of a company are as important as the products they sell. That's why I stay away from companies/people like Elbox, H&P, Harald Frank and Bill Buck. This may be personal but I think I have all the right to do this and also tell other people why I do this.

[Fats]

mdma wrote:
So you definately won't use any Microsoft products will you Fats, seeing as they are convicted felons?

If you ask, I try to stay away from MS also. I type this in Opera under linux. I'm running linux on my Dell x86, Sparc Station 20 and amigaone.
At work I'm known as a UNIX/linux expert and am in the contact group with the computer support people where I also try to promote linux.
(BTW, the x86 is used for AROS dev work, yes hello mdma).

[Fats]

Targhan wrote:
@Fats & Elektro

Your opinions are based on pure propaganda, mis-information, and sad attempts to destroy the real spirit of Amiga.  You have become so bitter that I can only feel sorry for both of you.

The problem is that there are two camps at the moment and each of the camps thinks that the other is destroying the amiga spirit as you call it. I try not to be involved in these discussions.
As a long time Amiga user I've grown to dislike certain people in this little world. This is based on real actions taken in the past and not based on information spread by competitors or other people that are member of the opposite camp.
I'm not bitter either and I'm actually actively working to keep the Amiga spirit alive (AROS).

[Fats]

Targhan wrote:

I'm happy you work on AROS (good job btw), but to lump these companies together as some sort of axis of evil is wrong.

You read too much in my words. I never wanted to paint one side as the axis of evil. I mentioned two companies and two persons and not the company that is behind the Pegasos, this was on purpose.
(As AROS dev we do cooperate with the MorpOS guys although on an open source basis).

Occationally, I villianize Amiga Inc, and that too is wrong.  I have a few personal grudges against some of the decision makers at AmigaInc, but otherwise--they are a victim too.  

I agree that it seems more and more the case that the people at Amiga Inc. are not capable to effectively lead a company.  Too big Amiga mind, too small business mind.

H&P?  A victim.  Software Hut? A victim.  Phase5? A victim.  These guys have all had to pick and choose who they could and could not pay, and when.  Lets face it, the entire Amiga market and community has been victimized by the market in general.  It can get better, but we all have to get over our grudges.  

Sorry but if a company has made a decision 'to be able to pay people' that in my eye is morally doubtful I will make up my mind.

It is wrong to villianize any one company, but we all should try not to.  This includes myself.

I don't think I villianized a company. I just said that I don't like certain companies, personalities.
The problem it seems is that everything you say about Amiga related stuff is interpreted as being on one side or the other side. And that's also why I think that is impossible to get back to a joined Amiga community.