NetSurf 3.4 released!

[Dandy]

Regarding the "Miracles we do at once, the impossible takes a little longer" in your signature - we have a similar saying here in Germany:
"The impossible we do at once, miracles take nine months..."
:biglaugh:

[Dandy]

you might launch a resetfest RAD: and redirect the output to a file there.

Ummm - the last time I set up a RAD: is ages ago. It was back in my A500 days (pre 1998)...
It seems I have forgotten something about RAD:.
I looked in my OS 3.9 book, but could not find anything regarding RAD:.
Then I looked in my OS 3.1 books and copied RAD and RAD.info from "storage:dosdrivers" to "devs:dosdrivers", as described there.
I rebooted, but no RAD:.
I also double-clicked the RAD.info - but all I got was a system crash.
RAD version is 40.1.
What am I doing wrong?

[Dandy]

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Do you have any patches running from startup-sequence? Like TLSF?
...

Just checked it - no.

[Dandy]

Dandy, please try the version I've just uploaded: http://cy2.uk/netsurfos3

Just tried it - it also crashes.
Will try it now from shell with -v option...

EDIT:
Starting from shell with -v also freezes my system.
Now I hope someone can enlighten me how to get my RAD running...

[Dandy]

Do you get any output before it freezes?

In the shell - yes.
But as the system freezes (mouse pointer not movable) I have to make a reset - and all is gone.
So I have to redirect the output to a RAD: - then I can copy the output from there after the reboot.

[Dandy]

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what concerns RAD, yes copying to devs and double clicking should activate it afair. maybe there is something wrong with the mount list..

Hmmm - yesterday I was also thinking that I might have to start RAD by typing "Mount RAD: from Devs:mountlist" in a Shell, but it told me it could not find "Devs:mountlist". So I checked Devs: for the mountlist - no mountlist in Devs:.

simply google after questions you have, usually they have been asked before.

O.K. ...

another solution is to have a spare small partition on your drive that doesnt contain essential stuff, in order to redirect the output there.

I can try that.

or redirect the output to serial device, and caught it with another computer, but that is probably too complicated for you.

Its not too complicated for me, but currently the A4kPPC is my only machine here in Cologne (aside from non-networked A1200 and A500s in the cabinet that I haven't fired up since over a decade).

[Dandy]

Try statram from aminet.

Will try that at home.

[Dandy]

Usually you just double-click the RAD icon in SYS: Storage/DOSDrivers

Yeah - I know.
Just that this crashes my system...
:confused:

This is aggravated by the fact that my A4k currently has his occasional contact problems and refuses to boot.
Now I first have to open the box and clean the CPU board connector with off-the-shelf electronic sprays like KONTAKT 60 and Kontakt WL.
But currently it is far too hot for me here in Cologne to do that - cannot concentrate on it when it is so hot...

[Dandy]

the question is at what baud the output be. otherwise you would just need to use null modem cable conecting serial of your a4000 to a serial of either of your spare amigas, run a terminal program there and save the output to a floppy. than restart the a4000 read the log from the floppy and post it online here, if this is the machine you are (or may be) using for internet.

I think I will try it with RAD: or statram first...re-activating one of my old Miggies for this seems to be too laborious...

[Dandy]

Do you get any output before it freezes?

The last operation listed in the shell is:
"(3.503184)  frontends/amiga/gui.c:5354   ami_gui_splash_open:  Attempting to open splash window"
Then the system freezes.

Tried to save the SnoopDOS log to statram SD0:, as well as to HD, both with no result.

SD0: is empty after reboot, although before starting NetSurf there is an empty "snoopdos.log". So I assume that SD0: is lost during system freeze/reboot and freshly started after the reboot.

On the HD, the directory for SnoopDOS logs is also empty after reboot - so no SnoopDOS log.

[Dandy]

Do you see the splash window?

If with "splash screen" you mean the window saying "Initialising NetSurf - OS4 version"
then yes.

If not:
Are you running at least AmigaOS 3.5?

Although "yes" above: I`m running OS 3,9 with BBs I & II/WarpOS 16.1.

Do you have a PNG DataType installed and active?

Yes.

Do you have any weird 3rd party patches or replacement components?

Nothing of this kind in the Statup-sequence.
But I have things like "NetClockCron" in WBStartup.

How much RAM do you have free when you start NetSurf?

Currently I have 1.876.672 Bytes CHIP and 79.745.448 Bytes FAST available (IBrowse and YAM running).

If you do see the splash, then I'd have expected a little bit more output.

As I already pointed out, there are a lot of text lines rushing through the shell window. I just wrote down the content of the last line on a sheet of paper to be able to post it here after the reboot.

[Dandy]

Any ideas, anyone?

[Dandy]

...
Is it just Netsurf -V >DH1:netsurf_log.txt ?? or do I remember wrong?
...

This way just an empty file "netsurf_log.txt" is generated in statram SD0:
(solved the statram issue meanwhile)

[Dandy]

I think that you should reinstall Boing Bags 1 & 2. You should propably skip romupdates of BB2.

 
I`ll try that.

There is issues with you OS install wich should solved before.

 
What issues could that be?
I`ve had no problems with my System since 15 years or so...
(Last time startup-sequence was edited was in Aug 2005...)

You don't have loadmodule command in you startup-sequence?

As far as I can see the only "loadmodule"-entry in my startup-sequence is by Poseidon for early USB  mouse and keyboard support:

"PsdLoadModule DEVS:input.device QUIET ;Added by Poseidon-Installer
; $VER: Startup-Sequence_HardDrive 45.1 (25.11.00)
; Startup-Sequence for hard drive systems

If Exists C:IDEFix
  C:IDEFix
EndIf

C:SetPatch QUIET

C:Version >NIL:
C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15
FailAt 21

C:MakeDir RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys
C:Copy >NIL: ENVARC: RAM:ENV ALL NOREQ

Resident >NIL: C:Assign PURE
Resident >NIL: C:Execute PURE

Assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV
Assign >NIL: T: RAM:T
Assign >NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards
Assign >NIL: REXX: S:
Assign >NIL: PRINTERS: DEVS:Printers
Assign >NIL: KEYMAPS: DEVS:Keymaps
Assign >NIL: LOCALE: SYS:Locale
Assign >NIL: LIBS: SYS:Classes ADD
Assign >NIL: HELP: LOCALE:Help DEFER

BindDrivers
C:Mount >NIL: DEVS:dOSDrivers/~(#?.info)

C:LoadMonDrvs

; IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors
;   IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors/Voodoo5
;     DEVS:Monitors/Voodoo5
;   EndIF

;  C:List >NIL: DEVS:Monitors/~(#?.info|Voodoo5) TO T:M LFORMAT  
; "DEVS:Monitors/%s"
;   Execute T:M
;   C:delete >NIL: T:M
; EndIF

SetEnv Language "english"
SetEnv Workbench $Workbench
SetEnv Kickstart $Kickstart
UnSet Workbench
UnSet Kickstart

C:AddDataTypes REFRESH QUIET
C:IPrefs
C:ConClip

Path >NIL: RAM: C: SYS:Utilities SYS:Rexxc SYS:System S: SYS:Prefs SYS:WBStartup SYS:Tools SYS:Tools/Commodities

SYS:System/REXXMast >NIL:

IF EXISTS S:User-Startup
  Execute S:User-Startup
EndIF

Resident Execute REMOVE
Resident Assign REMOVE

C:LoadWB
EndCLI >NIL:
"

[Dandy]

...
I You should propably skip romupdates of BB2.
...

What does that do with my system?

I backupped an old startup-sequence from OS 3.9-BB1, which included this line:
"SetPatch SKIPROMUPDATES "scsi.device" QUIET"

But I seem to remember that it caused an issue with the UW-SCSI on my CSPPC, which I use exclusively...

[Dandy]

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On the HD, the directory for SnoopDOS logs is also empty after reboot - so no SnoopDOS log.

Finally I managed to get a SnoopDos logfile:

"SnoopDos logging started on Dienstag, 26-Jul-16  at 19:02:32

 Count Process Name       Action     Target Name                                                              Options  Res.
 ----- ------------       ------     -----------                                                              -------  ----
 1     [5] rx             Open       NIL:                                                                     Write    OK  
 2     ARexx              Open       *                                                                        Read     OK  
 3     ARexx              Open       NetClock.rexx                                                            Read     OK  
 4     ARexx              Open       System3.9:S/NetClock.rexx                                                Read     OK  
 5     ARexx              Open       System3.9:S/NetClock.conf                                                Read     OK  
 6     « ConClip »        Open       CLIPS:0                                                                  Read     OK  
 7     [7] work:internet/ Open       SD0:netsurf_log.txt                                                      Write    OK  
 8     [7] work:internet/ Open       CONSOLE:                                                                 Write    OK  
 9     ramlib             Load       LIBS:version.library                                                              OK  
 10    ramlib             Load       LIBS:Picasso96API.library                                                         OK  
 11    ramlib             Load       LIBS:guigfx.library                                                               OK  
 12    ramlib             Load       LIBS:render.library                                                               OK  
 13    [7] work:internet/ Open       ENV:guigfx/autoditherthreshold                                           Read     Fail
 14    [7] work:internet/ Open       ENVARC:guigfx/autoditherthreshold                                        Read     Fail
 15    [7] work:internet/ Open       ENV:guigfx/usescalepixelarray                                            Read     Fail
 16    [7] work:internet/ Open       ENVARC:guigfx/usescalepixelarray                                         Read     Fail
 17    [7] work:internet/ Open       ENV:guigfx/usewpa8                                                       Read     Fail
 18    [7] work:internet/ Open       ENVARC:guigfx/usewpa8                                                    Read     Fail
 19    ramlib             Load       LIBS:images/bitmap.image                                                          OK  
 20    ramlib             Load       LIBS:gadgets/fuelgauge.gadget                                                     OK  
 21    ramlib             Load       LIBS:gadgets/getfile.gadget                                                       OK  
 22    ramlib             Load       LIBS:gadgets/getfont.gadget                                                       OK  
 23    ramlib             Load       LIBS:gadgets/getscreenmode.gadget                                                 OK  
 24    ramlib             Load       LIBS:datatypes/WarpPNG.datatype                                                   OK  
 25    [7] work:internet/ Open       SYS:Classes/Datatypes/WarpDT.key                                         Read     OK  
 26    [7] work:internet/ Open       ENVARC:datatypes/WarpDT.prefs                                            Modify   OK  
 27    [7] work:internet/ Open       PROGDIR:Resources/splash.png                                             Read     OK  
 28    [7] work:internet/ Open       FONTS:ruby.font                                                          Read     OK  
 29    [7] work:internet/ Load       FONTS:ruby/12                                                                     OK  
 30    [7] work:internet/ Open       FONTS:helvetica.font                                                     Read     OK  
 31    [7] work:internet/ Load       FONTS:helvetica/15                                                                OK"

Does this tell you something?