X1000 Nemo Rev. 2 Motherboard in Production

[Dandy]

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Saying that the Rev 2 motherboard is in production because a schematic has been posted is really stretching things at best and misleading at worst.

Could it be that you misunderstood that?
I understood it that way that those were two independent news items:

A1 X1k Rev2 mobo in production
AND
A1 X1k Schematics being posted.

No link between those 2 items - and certainly the mobo isn't in production because someone posted the schematics...

[Dandy]

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P.S. how can you live in both Wellington and London at the same time? :confused:

Ever heard of "commuters"?

[Dandy]

Its beyond me how anyone can get excited over any of this? I mean we have a grossly overpriced board,with mediocre specs.

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Huh - you can not imagine what a relief it is to get the chance to get rid of some thousand € of our redundant millions? Unbelieveable, poor man!
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Its has a somewhat useless xorro(lol) bus...

I'd say that remains to be seen, if the xorro bus is useful or not.

[Dandy]

Nowadays that crown is held by Dell - churning out millions of cheap computers on pretty thin margins. Which is fine if you want a cheap PC.
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If you think Dells are cheap you should go and get an ALDI PC for a fraction of it...

[Dandy]

Do you understand what the x1000 is?

No - not yet.
But I will get one to find precisely that out. So the A1 X1k currently is interesting enough to me to get one and to find out more about it.

And you?

its no more amiga than any pc with amiga stickers or a SAM board for that matter.

It will be MY NEW AMIGA.
That's all that counts for me...
You are of course free to think of it what you want...

Its made from off the shelf parts for the most part.

This is also valid for the original A1000s from 1985and all subsequent C= Amiga models. Or do you honestly think all the resistors, capacitors, jacks and even the cpu have been designed and produced exclusively for the Amiga line of computers by C=?

it may be they "tied" all of the parts together, but its basically a PPC board with a pci-e expansion bus

So what?

that is for... hmmm what use was this again? ... I have to wonder if people read the specs on their site.
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And I have to wonder if YOU read the specs on their site...

[Dandy]

I'm getting pretty tired by people who call other people haters just because they have no interest in a computer that's uber expensive and not a real Amiga anyways (no matter how many boingballs it comes with). It's just a generic PPC computer with boingball stickers and an Amiga-like OS, it has nothing to offer that other computers can't do (unlike the real Amiga when it came out).

I'm truly sorry for you! Does that hurt very much?

There are much cheaper and better Amiga-like options available.

Then stop whining, get one of those instead and be happy.

[Dandy]

@Dandy.

What's up with your car? Can i have it?

If you're referring to my avatar with this question I have to disappoint you:
This is NOT my car (although really I wish it was).
It's my employers (Ford) car.
I just was one of the very few who got a chance to drive it on our testing track back in September 2005.
The avatar shows me just after leaving the GT - with a really BIG grin on my face...

Believe me:
Just flying is better...

[Dandy]

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Hopeful we will see something unique with the Xmos chip and the power of the X1000 should be enough
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What do you think of my idea for a project that could make good use of Xena/Xorro:
steam operated model steam locomotive in H0 scale

[Dandy]

Obviously we can only know what aeon lets us know,and i have read their site.thats how i came to the conclusion this is nothing special.

You're right as long as you compare the A1 X1k to the latest developments on e.g. the WIntel side.
But we are talking about our Amiga hobby here.
And as soon as you compare the A1 X1k to all other existing Amiga incarnations it is special and thrilling - at least for me and some others.

the obscure xorro bus is useless unless there are drivers to drive some unknown hardware plugged in...which doesn't exhist.

Having already read the last sentence of this posting I now could reply with some doubts regarding you having ever used an Amiga, but that's not what I'm aiming at.
When I had my first Amiga back in 1988/89, it was common that users had new ideas of what could be done with this machine and REALISED them. They did not wait for others to do it for them. I see this situation in the best Amiga tradition. So do not moan about the uselessness of the Xorro bus - come up with ideas what it could be used for and how!

You can call it your new blender if you like.it doesn't make it amiga.

Do you really want the discussion of "What is an Amiga?" here?

But im sure you'll get yer boing stickers and such out to plaster all over the generic pc tower its in.

I don't mind "generic PC towers" as long as they meet my need for expandability.
And - btw - the case of my towered A4kD-PPC just has one sticker on it: "Powered by Amiga".

the A1000 was something that had not been seen or thought of,it was custom built from scratch.

I dare to disagree here.
It was NOT custom built from the scratch - just think of all the capacitors and resistors inside - and also the MC68000 cpu - none of them was specifically designed for use in Amigas.

the 3 main custom chips were built from scratch. The original amiga 1000 had some custom chips you may of heard of,denise,agnus,paula etc..

..., which are outdated today. That's why I replaced them with a pci graphics card (Voodoo4) and a pci sound card (Terratec 512i digital) in my A4kPPC.

ever heard of these?.

Not just that - I also used them long enough to get my eyes spoiled by them (Agnus & Denise & CBM 1081).

so no its not valid.

Of course you are free to have your own opinion - but it does not change the fact that I see it this way.

the x1000 is off the shelf parts.

The A1k also was mainly built from "off the shelf parts" from my POV.

it bring nothing new to the field currently other than a dual core processor and some xmos stuff tacked on.

Dual core cpu's, 64 bit and "some xmos stuff" actually IS new to the Amiga field.

so that leaves me wondering if you've ever touched a real amiga let alone know what it is. lol

mech

I think I already replied to this quite at the beginning of this posting.

[Dandy]

Pointing out the shortcomings of this is not pessimism,its just the facts ma'am!
The issue is not weather they will built it or not, i give them credit for taking on a project like this. what i dislike is the reference to the A1000 they make,trying to pull it off as something new. its not new,i would say other than the dual core processor,this is nothing more special that a PEG II.
It has nothing exciting,new or revolutionary as the A1000 did.its not the amiga savior.Either people have their blinders on or just ignore the facts.

Sorry - but calling dual core cpus, 64 bit and xena "not new in Amiga field" is just ignorant.

I'm all for moving forward but this is the same old regurgitated stuff in a pretty package.

Really?
When has it been available before?

[Dandy]

What you have described is the typical,everyday modern PC,

No idea why you think so - he clearly wrote: "the X1000 will once more make..."

except its specs are way slower

Specs can't be slower or faster according to my understanding - they can be better or worse than those of the object in comparison.

and has a xmos chip tacked on thats of no practical use currently

The emphasis should be on "currently"...
Regarding the future you should use your imagination.

.. OH! and costs what,nearly 4X as much..LOL

That's O.K. for me as long as it thrills me 4x as much...

[Dandy]

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The Sam 460 seems to have been completely ignored in this and that machine, despite it's inherent limitations at least offered a semi sane price tag.

Yeah, as this machine is targetted at end users, while the A1 X1k is targetted at developers and geeks.
As I think there are more "end users" in this community than developers, it seems logical to me that the A1 X1k will be produced in lower volumes and thus be more expensive.
To me that makes sense...

[Dandy]

Oi! That was my idea!

Really?

[Dandy]

If (and I mean IF) that actually is a good use for an XMOS chip it also is a perfect example of why the intregration on the mobo makes no sense.

You would have to place your 2000Euro X1000 really close to your H0-set running several non-hotplug wires in between both.

I'm still undecided whether I will use a cable connection or some sort of WLan tec for this.

Use an existing XMOS-kit connect it via USB or Ethernet (both provide more than enough throughput for 1 lowres videolink and a bunch of signals)

Its more likely that I will use an HD pen cam.

and you will not only reduce the risk of killing your expensive kit,

Why do you think that steering a model railway might kill the A1 X1k?

but you might even get away with useing a less expensive one (honestly that were HW like the Efika or the Beagleboard would be optimal).

I also have some other things in mind where I would need the power of the A1 X1k for.
So all in all - for me the idea to have the XMOS chip onboard seems to be good.

[Dandy]

Dual Core systems and 64 bit new in the Amiga field ? My 3 years old 3.86ghz core2duo AROS box would beg to differ, as would the 64bit version of AROS.

Can I run AmigaOS (TM) on it?