Could the current finacial crisis in the US influence the outcome of the Amiga ./. Hyperion case?

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While following the news about the latest finacial crisis in the US and having heard McCains statement that he wants to clean the US-economy from fraudulous managers, I was wondering if this spirit might influence the courts way of deciding the Amiga vs. Hyperion case (e.g. merciless prosecution of fraudulent business practices and severe punishment of the offender) and if this might finally lead to the incarceration of Pentti Kouri and his gang, including MacBill?

What do you think?

[Dandy]

Piru wrote:
You gotta be kidding me.

The notion that financial situation would somehow influence the way courts work is silly.

It is NOT my notion that financial situation would somehow influence the way courts work - I just asked if this could be possible.

Please read my posting more carefully next time!

I hope you know the difference between "notion" and "question"...
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Piru wrote:

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Even though Kouri's actions might be immoral, it doesn't necessarily make them illegal. What supposedly is "fraudulent" in his business?

Pentti Kouri (->Kouri-deals)

Or just think of the AInc(W)->ITEC->KMOS->MKOS->AInc(D) shell game...

[Dandy]

Piru wrote:

I just asked if this could be possible.

It is not possible.

Pentti Kouri (->Kouri-deals)

Or just think of the AInc(W)->ITEC->KMOS->MKOS->AInc(D) shell game...

 
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As to the A Inc shell game, do you have any evidence that a) it was illegal or that b) Pentti Kouri was involved?

I don't need an evidence, as I'm no judge or court.

I'm just a potential customer and as such all that counts is how I'm feeling about companies and/or their executives, when it comes to the question if I buy from a particular company or not.

And my feeling is:

a) It was illegal.
b) Pentti Kouri was involved, as he was sitting on the boards of various of the involved companies.

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persia wrote:

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Amiga Inc and Hyperion and their dispute over a few thousand dollars have zero effect on the current financial crisis which likely is in the trillions of dollars.  It's an issue of scale.  
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You must have misread me - I did not mean the AInc. vs. Hyperion dispute would affect the current global financial crisis - it was more to the contrary - that the current global financial crisis possibly could affect the outcome of the AInc. vs. Hyperion dispute.

My impression was that BEFORE the financial crisis there were quite a lot people that didn't care for such scams and tried to tell me that this is common business practice in the US.

Now its getting obvious where such business practices lead to and even a presidentship candidate promises to clean the US market from criminal managers.

I am hoping that now the public perception of such business practices in the US might change now from a shrugging "It's common business practise" to an angry "We have to fight such business practise with hard punishment".

With such a change in public perception it might even be possible that courts have a closer and more critical look at certain business practises and are more eager now NOT to let them get away with what they did - no matter if it's AInc. vs. Hyperion or M$ vs. IBM.

[Dandy]

Piru wrote:

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Good politician talks about whatever the public feels like is a pressing matter.

Yeah - but this politician talking about it means that the public actually feels that way.

Piru wrote:

With such a change in public perception it might even be possible that courts have a closer and more critical look at certain business practises and are more eager now NOT to let them get away with what they did

I find this very unlikely. If it would happen, it would thru new laws, not change in public perception.

Yeah - but wouldn`t a change in the public perception be a precondition for politicians to put new laws in place in a democracy (Or do you mean the US are no democracy?)?

As the public already actually feels this way so that politicians already talk about it, I would expect as the next logical step in a working democracy that the politicians put appropriate laws in place to prevent such things from happening again in the foreseeable future.

Piru wrote:

As such it would only affect the new cases. It would have no effect on the current cases, such as Amiga Inc vs Hyperion.

Sure?
Isn`t it true that a judge has some margin of discretion when deciding a matter - even in the US?

And as the judge also is part of "the public" in his spare time, it is not unlikely that his perception equally changed with the majority of "the public", which in turn could turn the balance whether he decides more to the lower end or more to the upper end of the range the laws provide.

So - I don`t find this very unlikely...

[Dandy]

Matt_H wrote:

The only possible effect of the financial crisis I see on the case is that Amiga, Inc.'s phantom money dries up and they can't pay their lawyers.

Good point!

I know what you mean - although - my perception always was that AInc was always talking about money they actually didn't have.

If THAT is the "phantom money" you're talking about - how can money - that doesn't even exist - dry up?
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