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Re: An Inconvienient Truth, - Global Warming
« on: February 01, 2007, 01:50:30 PM »
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Karlos wrote:
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The truth of the matter is that nobody is sure what the current trend really indicates. That said, it's my opinion that given there is evidence to suggest we are aggrivating the problem we should do what we can to minimize that effect and see how it pans out. It's the logical course to take. Unfortunately, governments rarely, if ever, consider anything beyond their term in power. Given we could be looking at massive problems in say 50 years time and not tomorrow, no existing government really cares.

Here are my thoughts on "what we can do to minimize that effect":

Back in 1971 (when I was 14) our teacher performed an experiment that produced detonating gas by the electrolysis of water in a chemistry lesson. Finally he ignited the gas in the test tube and it blew the test tube into pieces with a loud bang.

Our teacher then said that the reaction of hydrogen and oxygen is much more fierce, produces much more energie than the reaction of e.g. petrol and air and produces zero air pollution, as the result of this reaction is steam.

At the very same moment my finger went up and I asked my teacher:
"So why do all the cars still use petrol or diesel instead of hydrogen and oxygen?"

His answer was:
"If this was possible they would have done so long before!"

Later - in the course of my training as a machinist at KHD (Magirus Deutz) - I asked the same question to my foreman at KHD's engine research centre.

He answered basically the same as my teacher before, but he became more precise:
"If hydrogen and oxygen react, it results in a very high firing temperature, which would make the intake- and exhaust-valves melt."

These answers did not satify me and so I decided to make an experiment on my own.

My hobby was flying RC model aircrafts at that time and from that I had a spare 0.33 cm^3 petrol model engine.
With my limited resources I "electrolysed" me some cm^3 of detonating gas (took me two weeks with a 12V transformer and an old aquarium), slightly modified the model engine by taking off its tank and carburetteur and supplying the detonating gas instead of petrol.

Then I started the engine and - woooohooo! - it ran!
It ran for about 30 seconds until all the detonating gas was consumed.

Later I re-mounted tank and carburetteur and it ran flawlessly with petrol again.

So I had my proof that it worked.

Some years later - while studiyng engineering - I learned about constructive measures to avoid the melting of metal at such temperatures. After all the engines of the Space Shuttle (which burn hydrogen and oxygen as well) don't melt either...

But from my own experiment I knew how time-consuming the production of hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis of water would be - and so started to look for a more efficient way to do this. After some years of research I had an idea how I could produce H & O much faster and at an lower energie footprint - I still have to prove with an experiment that it works.

But nevertheless electricity is still reqired for this process. And if we're talking about operating all combustion engines worldwide with H&O, then we're talking about a fair amount of electricity that's needed for the H&O production.

Then a next idea began to shape out.
If I want to reduce the emissions of the cars to save the environment by using H&O, then we can't use "dirty" electricity for that.

I thought about the way it is now:
We drill holes into the earth and pump up what's left of the sunshine from some million years ago (oil, result from ancient forests) and burn this in order to be mobile, while at the same time the sun still sends us a comparable amount of energy like millions of years ago.

So today we end up with the energy of the daily sunshine PLUS the energy of the daily sunshine from some million years ago that made the ancient forests grow from which the oil stems we burn when we drive by car, sail by ship or fly by plane.

So I thought that if we today "dig out the sunshine of the past" and burn it to be mobile and want to change that to a "clean" mobility, we must reduce the daily sunshine that hits the ground here on this planet today by exactly *that* amount we are burning "sunshine of the past" to be mobile.

When thinking about possible solutions, a sunshade sprang to my mind.

What, if we built a huge solar cell platform in the orbit that works as an jalousie, collects the electricity of all solar cells, transfoms it to rays and sends it down to earth wireless?
(I recently read about an technique for wireless energy transmission and it works already on distances up to 30km - I'm confident that with goal-oriented research 300km and more are no problem at all)

If the orbit is calculated accordingly, so that this platform can throw a big enough shadow on desert areas, I would expect low (air) pressure in this areas as a consequence.

As normally rain comes with low pressure, such an desert area might start to grow green again, which would improve our air quality and climate significantly.

But I'm afraid such a project is far too big for one nation - and if I look at the current political conditions worldwide I have not much hope that this could be realized anytime soon.
(Sorry for my long posting)
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Re: An Inconvienient Truth, - Global Warming
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2007, 07:38:47 AM »
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whabang wrote:

IIRC, there are combustion engines fueled by hydrogen.



Yes, indeed.
I had the chance to drive one of Ford's prototypes with internal combustion engine fuelled with hydrogene at Ford's research centre in Aachen...

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The problem with a big solar shade is, that the World's weather system is extremely complicated, and placing a big umbrella above the Sahara desert would undoubtly affect the weather on a global scale.



Is it really a problem, if it affects the wheather on a global scale for the better?
I mean - since the beginning of industrialisation mankind is affecting the climate on a global scale negatively - it's time for a turnaround!

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What we need is a safe, clean and unlimited power source. :-|


Well, as I see it my concept offers clean and unlimited power source and even the possibility to improve our climate - it's up to mankind to do it and to make it safe.
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Re: An Inconvienient Truth, - Global Warming
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2007, 06:05:23 AM »
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How about completely covering the entire Sahara Desert (and anywhere else bloody hot like parts of Australia) with solar panels and hooking them up to the ¨international grid¨. ;-)

The problem I see with this is that the dark solar cells become quite hot when the sun is shining on
them - easily 80+°C.

If you install the solar cells anywhere here on earth, they will release the heat from the sunshine to the surrounding air.

What we are looking for is a way to keep the heat entirely away from earths atmosphere (-> global warming).
I'd say the only way to achieve this is to install the solar panel in an orbit...

Furthermore an orbital installation would give the advantage, that you have sunshine for 24 hours every day up there - no clouds, no day/night.

And keep in mind:
Sunshine doesn't cost anything - it's for free!
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Re: An Inconvienient Truth, - Global Warming
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2007, 02:21:34 PM »
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Agafaster wrote:
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Actually, the thing is these things will mostly reflect light and heat back into space.



I don't think so:

"Problem: Current Solar Cells can "receive" just one wavelength

The weak point of previous solar cells is rooted in physics: The principle is that an arriving photon overrides the so called "semiconductor bandgap", the "energy distance" within an semiconductor between an electron fixed in the crystal and an electron free to move. This means, that all components of the sunlight with longer wavelengths and lower energy levels have no effect on the solar cell other than heating it up. A light beam of exactly the correct wavelength releases one electron and therefor is transformed into current with optimal efficiency.

Light beams of shorter wavelengths - thus the entire visible light spectrum, ultraviolet radiation and so on - as well just produce one charge carrier, which receives the energy of the bandgap. Thus the higher energy content of the visible light can't be utilised and only leads to a warming of the solar cells again (Nano Letters, vol 6, p 424)."

No mention of "reflecting to space"...

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besides, any 80+°C change in the panels can be used to heat water - thus cooling the panel.



However - last but not least the heat ends up in the athmosphere.

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Agafaster wrote:

the real problem isnt heating the surrounding air, but the air retaining heat too readily.



So in the last consequence heating the surrounding air leads to a global warming.

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Agafaster wrote:

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ask yourself:
* 'Do I REALLY need to drive a 4 litre 4x4 to Tescos/school/work and back ?'
* 'Do I REALLY need to drive fast ?' (40-60mph is about the most fuel efficient speed range to drive - given aerodymanics/engine efficiency etc)
* 'Do I REALLY need to drive, when its only a mile away ?'
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Well - I sold my car two years ago.
Depending on the weather I either take the bus or ride my bicycle to work (about 4 miles each direction).

My life is much more relaxed now...
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Re: An Inconvienient Truth, - Global Warming
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 09:51:05 AM »
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blobrana wrote:
>>Cue the inevitable claim/counterclaim "discussion"...
The problem with global warming is that the issue has become totally politicised in the worst possible way so that clarity has become near impossible.

Hum,
They dont have any scientific arguments against Global warmng now.
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That's right.
Now it's time to come up with neat ideas how to fix the mess...
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Re: An Inconvienient Truth, - Global Warming
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2007, 07:57:49 AM »
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metalman wrote:
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Guess she's recommending that environmentalists stop breathing, but doesn't realize even in death they'll still emit carbon dioxide, until totally decomposed.
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Although I love jokes and laughing, I'd say this issue is far too serious to make jokes about it...
 :roll:
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Re: An Inconvienient Truth, - Global Warming
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2007, 02:25:38 PM »
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

Moan about taxes, while driving around in SUV's wich have a maelstrom in the tank. Nice.



Whom are you referring to?
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Re: An Inconvienient Truth, - Global Warming
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2007, 12:04:40 PM »
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Drunk on green beer and still warming the planet  :lol:


Green Beer:

Take a "Koelsch" glass (0.2 litre), fill one small finger's breadth of "Curacao Blue" in it and fill up the rest with beer (preferably Koelsch).

You'll end up with a "toxic green" looking beer - and if you happen to have more than 4-5 glasses of it, the night might become interesting...
 :-D  :-D  :-D
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Re: An Inconvienient Truth, - Global Warming
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2007, 07:46:50 AM »
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PMC wrote:
Ah!  My college Rugby team had a variation on that called a "Green {bleep}".

Take one pint glass, add a shot of Vodka and a shot of Blue Curacao.  Fill the rest of the glass with Kronenburg or Lowenbrau (Loony Brew) and serve.

This was usually followed by frequent baring of one's derriere and the singing of lewd songs.

@Dandy, does it have a similar effect on your side of the North Sea?


You can bet on that!
(Even without the Vodka!)
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