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Re: How many planets?
« on: August 29, 2006, 06:35:31 AM »
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Well since they got rid a planet, can't they rename "URANUS" to eleminate those tasteless jokes about the name.

something like .....
"Urectum"  or "Uhemroid" instead :lol:
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You're talking about Ur-Anus, aren't you?
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Re: 8 Planets
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2006, 06:44:53 AM »
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Pluto is now a "dwarf planet"

But isn't a "dwarf planet" still a planet?
So I'd say we now have 12 planets, with three of them beeing "dwarf planets"...
 :-?  :-?  :-?
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Re: 8 Planets
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2006, 11:52:40 AM »
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Atmospheric pressure is a somewhat vague concept when applied to gas giants such as Jupiter and Saturn as their atmospheres increase in density as you descend into them until you eventually end up in a layer where the pressure is so immense that the hydrogen has been crushed into a metallic phase.
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Hum - IIRC hydrogene (under "normal" conditions pressure- and temperature-wise) is a gas, which becomes liquid at the "absolute zero" (-273°C) - no lower temperature is possible in this universe.

If you increase the pressure of an gas, the temperature will increase instead of lowering.

There are four conditions of aggregation:

1) gaseous
2) liquid
3) solid
4) plasmic

If you have an gas and you want to make it liquid, you have to cool it down far enough.

If you then want to make the liquid solid, you have to cool it down even further (e.g. steam-water-ice), which works for water and others, but not for hydrogen.

It just becomes liquid at the absolute zero point of temperature - so I would assume it to be impossible in this universe to have "solid hydrogen" or "frozen hydrogene"...
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Re: 8 Planets
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2006, 12:22:07 PM »
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cecilia wrote:
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Pluto is now a "dwarf planet"

But isn't a "dwarf planet" still a planet?
So I'd say we now have 12 planets, with three of them beeing "dwarf planets"...
 :-?  :-?  :-?
no, a "dwarf planet" is a new designation.
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Hum - a giant planet still is a planet.
So a "dwarf planet" still is a planet as well, I'd say - just smaller and maybe not so perfectly spherically shaped - but nevertheless still a planet (at least for me)...

Otherwise they would have dropped the word "planet" from the name, wouldn't they?
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Re: 8 Planets
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2006, 12:00:17 PM »
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I think you are thinking of Helium. Hydrogen's melting point is at 14K and the solid phase is well characterised.
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No, no - I was thinking of hydrogen.
I thought I was taught that the boiling point of hydrogen is at 0 K.

But now that I read about hydrogen at wicki, I was rather astonished to read that the boiling point was not at 0 K, but at 20,4 K (= -252,8 °C) and that there even is a melting point at 14,025 K (-259,125 °C).

Hmmmmm - eigther I mixed it up after all those years or my teachers tought me BS...

But nevertheless:
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"Many Experiments are continuing in the production of metallic hydrogen in laboratory conditions. Arthur Ruoff and Chandrabhas Narayana from Cornell University in 1998, and later Paul Loubeyre and René LeToullec from Commissariat à l'Énergie Atomique, France in 2002, have shown that at pressures close to those at the center of the Earth (3.2 to 3.4 million atmospheres), and temperatures of 100 K–300 K, hydrogen is still not an alkali metal. The quest to see metallic hydrogen in the laboratory continues, well beyond 70 years after its existence was predicted."

So I assume that all this talk about metallic hydrogen is just theoretical/hypothtical?
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Crazy stuff.

Indeed...
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Going back to hydrogen, under enough pressure and temperature it becomes metallic, and may even be superconducting.

Yes, in theorie - as I understood it, up to now no one  successfully produced metallic hydrogene...
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Re: 8 Planets
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2006, 01:12:37 PM »
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...concentrates ozone depleting pollutants close to the poles, frankly I have no idea, but again if that is the case, I'd expect a larger depletion in the northern hemisphere, were most of CFC producing people live.
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Could the polarity of the magnetic field play a role here?

I know you can separate bulk goods by leading them through an electro-static field - one component is attracted by the positive side and the other one by the negative side.

And after having read Einstein and Steven Hawking, I know that electric fields and gravitational fields are not *that* different...
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