SAM460Lite & AmigaOS 4.1 for DjNick Bounty

[koaftder]

This is lame. I could see getting a bounty started for a developer but anything less than a developer is a waste. Artists are a dime a dozen, programming talent is rare, especially programming talent who would even bother messing around with this stuff.

[koaftder]

OK, so find us a coder with a proven track record who wants to come back but can't afford it, and then start a bounty for it.

That seems to be Trevor Dickinson's area of expertise, I'd ask him.

Of course there's room for all kinds of bounties, but I find it interesting how quickly the community was able to raise quite a large sum of money for such a superfluous thing that doesn't really advance the platform in any kind of meaningful way. If you had a car that was blowing smoke out of the tail pipe and leaving behind a trail of green liquid would you take it in for a paint job and install a new horn?

And not to slight djnick, his work is outstanding.

[koaftder]

I take *COMPLETE* offense to this!:madashell: I am *NOT* a "dime a dozen" and if you'd like to call me out on that, I'd be more than *HAPPY* to challenge you to a contest on who could build the better 3D model, animation reel, storyboard test, concept art, etc. Hell, I'll even challenge you to traditional, comic illustration, which is what got me in my "dime a dozen" field in the first place.

I've spent *YEARS* honing my craft and to say that programming talent is rare compared to the talent a *TRUE* artist has is rude. I can draw *AND* sculpt/model the *ENTIRE* human muscular system in less than 4 hours. Can you say the same?? :furious:


Good luck DJNick. Art, in itself, has made more contributions to human society for thousands of years, than programming has for the last 70 or so.

Finding programming talent to work on AOS 4 is rare, just look at the state it's in, how long it's taken to get there and what's sorely needed. Now take a good look around at all the artists floating about on the forums, they're everywhere. They literally are a dime a dozen. Good grief, how many more icon sets and wall papers do we really need around here?

I'm going to have to decline your challenge, after all, I'm a software developer, not an artist. I run a small company producing games for iOS, Android and OS X. I can tell you for a fact that artists really are a dime a dozen just based on what they're willing to work for. I'm sorry you don't like to hear that, it's just a reality that most artists are broke and have to work other jobs while doing what they love on the side. I never said they weren't talented, but honestly most aren't and most have problems following through and completing their tasks.

[koaftder]

I've done work on both Mass Effect and Neverwinter Nights, for BioWare and Mortal Kombat: Annihilation for Midway and I can honestly tell you it wasn't the Art Department that was known for blowing deadlines...... :rolleyes:

Software is never done on time. That's why when we estimate we multiple by 2, add some more and then prepare excuses along the way. However, in my case, being the small fry that I am, I get all that work done and out of the way with before I contract with an artist. That way I can clearly define exactly what I need and pay for only what I need, without jerking around the artist and having a bunch of graphics work done and paid for that doesn't get used. Nothing can damage your reputation worse than trying to change the terms mid contract and having a pissed off contractor who would inevitably go around and tell everyone how awful and crooked you are. If I had a full time artist on staff I'm sure he'd complain that I didn't get code shipped on time.

Also, since you're not an artist, but a developer, don't talk sh!t about someone getting a machine to create new graphics for OS4 and put your money where mouth is. Why don't *YOU* start developing something useful for it.
Pot. Kettle. Black.

My choice of profession has no relevance here. AOS 4 has no pressing need for wall papers, icon sets and other superfluous crap. It does however need a lot of work in the software department. The main complaints I hear over and over again are about drivers and applications. I don't think that pointing out that AOS 4 has needs to be met that are far more important than window dressing and you tube demonstrations is taking "sh1t" about some one getting a machine. I simply see it as inefficient, wasted resource allocation. I know you want to try and steer thin into "koaftder is talking crap about djnick getting a machine", and I think that's cheap and missing the point. I dropped my first comment when the bounty was half met.

[koaftder]

Your choice of profession is ENTIRELY relevant here. You're a software developer.

No it's not, I could be a dog catcher, my opinion wouldn't be any different.  

If you hear people complaining about a lack of apps and drivers, then start coding and porting them.

Why would I do that? I don't work for free.

It's not rocket science.

Compared to skinning window borders and creating wall papers, it is.

It's your opinion to see DJNick getting a machine donated for the purpose of creating new icons and art for OS4 as and I'm quoting you verbatim in toto here, "as inefficient, wasted resource allocation", but my comments have nothing to do with him getting a machine, but about your comments.

It is a waste of resource allocation. It will do nothing to make AOS 4 a modern operating system delivering the features users have been complaining about for ages. The only people I ever hear complain about the way it looks are people who don't use AOS 4.

You belittled people who choose to do art. Being a graphic designer isn't easy. You spend years practicing to draw, sculpt, paint, etc. Sure there are a lot of "hobbyists" that do art in their spare time and many of them aren't worth their weight in salt, but need I remind you of Windows Millennium? There are *EQUALLY* as many "dime a dozen" coders out there for every "talented coder". Your comments about artist's work being "crap" is rude, trite and insulting.

Read further up the thread, I described DJNick's work as "outstanding". Look, I'm a game developer, I do my own models in 3dsMAX, I've sculpted with zbrush and mud box. I've got a pile of machines in here working as vary rendering nodes and doubling as space heaters in my office. While I must admit that I totally suck at rigging, I do have an idea about what artists do in this field and to be honest, it's not as hard as the work I do in software development. And yea, there are a lot of crappy developers out there. Honestly, I'm more scared to hire a programmer than an artist.

You make a comment about your artists blowing deadlines

They do, constantly, and I don't even ask much of them.

having crap work, etc.,

A lot of it really is

but perhaps it's because of what they were PAID!

Nah, they work for what they're willing to work for. I'm not enslaving anyone.

I don't work for free and I don't take jobs that aren't worth my time, ESPECIALLY when the pay isn't worth it.

Neither would I.

I have friends who are coders that have to take jobs they don't want to do, 'cos our economy sucks. Plain and simple. Does that make them crappy coders? I think not....

They probably are crappy coders, those are the ones who are unemployed right now.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but the people that chose to donate money to a guy who offered up new art for OS4 made their decisions and that's the end of it.

I think they wasted their money.

A PROFESSIONAL artist takes PRIDE in their work.

I should hope so!

You insulted *ME*, 'cos you lumped all artists together as 2nd-rate charlatans who just try to steal people's money and give nothing in return, but sub-par work.

I never said anything of the sort. Stealing people's money and giving nothing in return but sub-par work? I never said that.

Once again, I reiterate that if there's such a need for new apps and drivers, since you're a software developer, start doing it.

I don't work for free, and neither do you so I guess we're in agreement about something!

Or are you just one of those "dime a dozen" software developers.....   :roflmao:

I prefer the term masochist, I mean, just look at the industry I decided to entangle myself in! At least I'm having a good time.

I'm sorry you're so offended at what I said. You of all people, having worked for some big houses and on some 'AAA' titles, should know that graphics guys are a dime a dozen. The labor pool overflowith because everybody want's a piece of that pie because, and lets be honest with ourselves, it's easier, and funner work than grinding code. They're pumping out graphic artists from the colleges like weenies from a sausage factory and none of these kids can find any work!