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anyway i find this thread insulting to our efforts with both OS4 and MorphOS , afterall they are the future OS's you guys will most likely use (since this is still an Amiga board...aint it?....)  (aros and morphos works closely at some parts it seems and winuae is getting better every day but the future of OS4 and MorphOS last i checked was not X86....)


Dont see it as insulting, but more as constructive criticism. The things that need to be done to bring the platform back into the limelight arent happening. Maybe somebody will listen and put forth some products worth buying.

 

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Re: Dave Haynie (lead engineer of C= Amiga) opinion on Amiga Successors
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2006, 06:02:43 PM »
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Yesterday Mcintosh launched Intel based machines and they also have their OS running on it. This was done in 1 year. Amiga development is running at less than 7Mhz!


what? i was under the impression that macintosh x86 was under development along side macintosh ppc development for many years. they have been planning this for more than just 1 year.


OSX ran on ia32 from day one.
 

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Re: Dave Haynie (lead engineer of C= Amiga) opinion on Amiga Successors
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2006, 06:55:21 PM »
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Dr_Righteous wrote:
...and in 10 years Linux is still unusable by anyone but patient geeks and network admins.

Kernels alone don't make an operating system. BIOS and GUI/CLI are just as vital. AROS is concentrating on the interface first... Top-down design at its finest.

x86 has been obsolete for a long long time... It's been emulated by RISC processors since the late 90's. Even that hasn't managed to kill the instruction set... Expanding it to 64 bits won't kill it either. I suppose I should have said RISC86 instead.

If that's not what you meant, I'd like to know what you think will replace RISC86/x86.

"Support AROS will never have?" We'll see... I meerly suggest it is possible.


Dang... Where do we start....

The design methodology of starting with the GUI and working your way down to everything else virtually guarantees failure in all but the simpliest of projects.

Would you design the braking system for a truck to fit around the design of the wheels? You would most likely find out in mid development of your breaking system, that the rim design would have to be changed to accomidate the braking system. Now you have to redesign the braking system and the wheel.

You would probably want to start out with the engine, then the frame, then the brakes, then the wheels, etc. A from the ground up design, similar to any other engineering practice.

I dont think what you said even apples to aros, as they modeled the kernel first, then wrote the outer layers.

Now for the x86 statement.

How did you come to the conclusion that x86 is obsloete? Then you mention the instruction set. So what about the instruction set? All that really matters is that you can run blah alogrithm on blah hardware with blah efficiency. The c compilers are better at producing efficient assembler code than the majority of programmers out there so thats not an issue either. x86 provides good performance at a reasonable price. Whats wrong with that? I think your main issue isnt hardware, but the quality of software.

Sure, aros will continue to gain some momentum, but it will top out at some point, much lower than linux because it's just not modern enough to be useful to most people. Even worse, as more and more people start developing for the platform, the more bad quality software there will be runining the end users experience. Then aros will gain reputation for being buggy crap and nobody will want to use it except for religious amiga users.
 

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Re: Dave Haynie (lead engineer of C= Amiga) opinion on Amiga Successors
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2006, 07:18:39 PM »
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bhoggett wrote:
The Amiga is a drug, This thread is proof positive if it.  :lol:




If you want to read people ranting on ad-infinitum about things they know absolutely nothing about, read an Amiga forum. Nice to see some things never change.


Didnt the amiga come out about the same time crack cocaine took over washington DC? Maybe this has something to do with it.