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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2005, 03:05:30 PM »
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Amiga wont live unless it opens up, and thats not likely to happen. Aros is going about things the wrong way by staying in the stonage.



Suck my what?


I'll take it your commenting about the aros statement.

I like aros, now that gcc runs on it, it's been much much more useable for what i do.

My gripe with aros is the lack of memory protection and other things. I really would like to see aros on the L4 kernel.


LOL, gcc's been running on GC-Linux for some time now.  But since it's Linux I guess that doesn't count.  On a brighter note, there is some interest in  GC-AROS.


I run linux on several machines, the one i use most is a mac mini with ubuntu. I could run linux on my gamecube, but it doesnt make sense to do so ( for me anyway ) as i have some 2 dozen machines laying around ( check out http://koft.net/pix/setup.jpg , see what i mean?)

If i went to the boss and suggested buying some 300 dollars worth of kit to get a gamecube running linux so i could do some development work, he would think i started smoking crack.

when gcc was finally working on aros, it was good news. It made some headlines and attracted some attention to the aros project, which was a good thing.

 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2005, 05:17:50 PM »
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WOW do you get time to use 10% of the computers i have 4 boxes running daily but only use about 2 havent got time for more

adonay :-D


There are only 2 machines i regulary interact with, the PC with the 4 monitors and the small powerbook. The powerbook is mostly for email and web surfing. I write all my stuff on the pc.

One machine is my firewall, running freebsd. Some of the macs are for apache/php/mysql development, others are for testing mac applications i'm writing. I got another pc running w2k3, it's for asp development.

Another machine is my fileserver. One machine for web proxy, another for my IDS.

I switch back and forth between windows/osx/linux/bsd all day long for one thing or another. Each platform has it's strengths and weakness.
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2005, 06:13:54 PM »
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Still the cheapest ~500Mhz PPC pc he could ever buy as he put it.


Looked at the prices of older Mac PPC's lately?  You can get a B&W for well under $100 (not including monitor).  


I got my 450 b&w powermac for 120, 20 gig drive, 256Mb ram, a year ago off ebay. It's got firewire, usb, and vga connector, and drives a 1600x1200 lcd just fine... I guess i got ripped, being that i could have gotten a game cube for a little less and all.

 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2005, 08:50:58 PM »
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b&w - black and white?
Yeah, you both got ripped off.


Blue and white case( actually mines more green and white ).

Yea i got totally ripped off, my game cube is so much more usefull than a system with 256mb ram, 20 gig drive and vga interface @ 1600x1200 (24 bit color too) running osx
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2005, 09:51:01 PM »
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Yes, you can occasionally get older iMacs off eBay for under $200. I've seen the original 233MHz iMac for as low as $75. That is certainly the way to go if you just want a plain PPC system. I've got linux and AROS running on my iMac DV+, and do plan to work on native AROS for the iMac.

But $150 for a 486MHz G3 with 24M of fast SRAM is still very cheap. It's also easier to find a GC system for that price than an iMac for less than $200. Most used iMacs go for $300 to $400 depending on the amount of memory and size of the harddrive. It's rare to see better than the original 233MHz iMac with 32M of 66MHz SDRAM for less than $200.

If you are looking to run linux or OSX, go with the best iMac you can find on eBay. If you are looking to play games, go with the GC. It's just a matter of how you intend to use the system beyond any Amiga-ish usage. I've already got an iMac and was more interested in something that also played games. The A500 and A1200 were game machines that also ran AmigaOS programs. Using a GC to run AROS would continue that tradition nicely. While there are Mac games you could use on an iMac, there aren't nearly as many, nor are they as good as the games on the GC (with a few exceptions).


Ive been pretty happy with my gamecube. Only have two games worth playing though, the 2 metroid games. The GC controller is nice. Ive always bought my consoles 2nd hand and one generation behind. It seems theres less than a dozen games worth playing during the life of a console, might as well get it when the games are under 20 bucks a pop.

It funny, on GC metroid prime never seems to drop a frame even when the scenes get complex, it's always rock solid. On other games like Super Mario Sunshine, sometimes simple scenes made the machine bog down to almost unplayable.

If you guys manage to hack a usb host controller onto the GC, you'll be able to drive a usb->VGA video card. Writing the drivers wouldnt be fun, but it would be doable.
 

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Time to celebrate!
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2005, 10:39:02 PM »
In about a month and a half, this thread will be 1 year old! It's first birthday! A celebration is in order for sure.

We need a poll here, how do you intend to celebrate the 1 year anniversary of the Nintendamiga thread?

1) Get drunk and paint red and white checker patterns on the game cube

2) March through the streets dressed up as a gamecube console and inform everybody that amiga os 4 will be released for gamecube *any day now!*

3) Print out a screen shot from AOS 4 beta you found on the web, and tape it on the front of your television set and invite your friends over to witness amiga os on the gamecube.

4) Dress up as aros the cat logo and yiff & skritch every body at your local star trek convention and tell everybody that game cube makes you purr.

5) Goto your local glue sniffers anonymous meeting, and inform everybody that you do not sniff glue, "But you just saved a bundle by switching to gamecube as your main computing platform" ( you can dooooo iiiiit )

6) Spend your time pursuing the opposite sex.




 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2005, 03:18:05 AM »
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In about a month and a half, this thread will be 1 year old! It's first birthday! A celebration is in order for sure.

We need a poll here, how do you intend to celebrate the 1 year anniversary of the Nintendamiga thread?

1) Get drunk and paint red and white checker patterns on the game cube

2) March through the streets dressed up as a gamecube console and inform everybody that amiga os 4 will be released for gamecube *any day now!*

3) Print out a screen shot from AOS 4 beta you found on the web, and tape it on the front of your television set and invite your friends over to witness amiga os on the gamecube.

4) Dress up as aros the cat logo and yiff & skritch every body at your local star trek convention and tell everybody that game cube makes you purr.

5) Goto your local glue sniffers anonymous meeting, and inform everybody that you do not sniff glue, "But you just saved a bundle by switching to gamecube as your main computing platform" ( you can dooooo iiiiit )

6) Spend your time pursuing the opposite sex.


I think I will just ponder how much effort was wasted trolling instead of petitioning or coding.

Personally, I think you all are quite bitter about the fact that Revolution is shaping up to be a clear and easy upgrade path for any work that could have went into Amicube.  At $199 or less NEW at launch with an 800-900Mhz processor, 104 MB of ram and built-in USB 2.0 ports, SD adapter ports, wi-fi capabilities and a DVD drive that it is quite an ideal platform for a capable future Amiga.

Being able to send apps to a Ninendo DS such as Jabberwacky wouldn't be too bad either.  So many possibilities...


800-900MHz and 104mb ram. Wow, i had a much more capable system back in 2001. One can find a PC with specs like that for less than 100 dollars. ( with vga interface and at least 2x the memory and a 20 gig harddrive, ethernet, etc )

Yea, i'm bitter about that. How will i sleep at night, knowing that i didnt jump on the nintendamiga bandwagon. Why i could be runnin aros on a 900Mhz machine hooked up to my TV and surfing porn in ascii mode with an ssh session to my mac using lynx. Someday if i just pray hard enough i will come to my senses and beg for forgiveness and buy 300 dollars worth of nintendo crap just to impress my friends of how leet i am to be running a sub par OS on my sub par video game console.

My friends will probably beat me senseless and steal my machine and use it to play video games, oh the shame i will have felt. Bitter feelings indeed.

 :crazy:

On a side note, people doing cool things with hardware is ok in my book. Hackin is all about doing wierd things on wierd stuff and having a good time. Aros on game cube will get some attention to the platform and provide a few people with some kicks. Its always going to be a toy though and nothing more. At that, a half developed, slightly unusuable toy that few will bother with. Theres a lot linux nuts out there, how many of them are actually doing anything with linux on the gamecube? not many, probably cause it's not very usefull.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2005, 11:20:54 PM »
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I stopped comparing Amiga value to PC value around 1997.  I own an Athlon XP 3200 with 1GB of 400MHz DDR ram and a 300GB HD, does that mean that any Amiga machine that doesn't hold up against those specs is worthless to me?  If you can leave garbage like the first 2/3 of your message off this thread, maybe we wouldn't have scared away more people like Darklight for so long.


Now your saying you arent comparing the hardware to generally avaiable pc/mac hardware. Strange, because  thats the opposite of half your posts in the past. Which one is it?

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You can piss and moan about Linux on the GC not being useful, but Linux is only useful for whatever a user decides to compile for their installation.  That's why Linux is useless to me and 99% of all PC users.


Most linux users out there arent compiling anything from their perspective. They just click on the app manager, select a program they want and click install.

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Here's the bottomline.  You, Waccoon and adolescent all own GC's.  Yet you are the biggest "critics" (being nice) here.  Infact, I'd venture to say there are more people who frequent this site that own GC's than real Amigas or use them daily.


Yea, i own a GC, so what? I use it to play video games.

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If Hyperion released an OS4 "lite" to try out on the GC, alot of people would scoop it up.  They could then release a Revolution "patch" to take advantage of the extra capabilities.

I don't expect AOS on GC/Rev/360/PS3/XBOX/DC to ever replace my PC, but it sure would be cool and fun to try out.  That alone could help the platform grow
if done properly.


blah blah blah whatever. Now your saying that it would be cool and fun toy, earlier you were pimping it as the next potential amiga, a vehicle for keeping the platform alive.

Anyway, you'll get your chance to schlick your ideas to the AmigaOS developers on IRC next week. Maybe you can discuss how hard it is to use a threading library, or debate on the best way to use the 16MB aram chunk.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2005, 11:46:25 AM »
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The OS - no.  Workbench - yes.  But now you can build a better gui.


Great, now i can litter up my desktop with a thousand icons in 3d....
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2005, 10:39:48 PM »
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First - Happy Holidays!

Second: http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2005/12/22/play-twlight-princess-with-revolution-controller/

Revolution will launch in Europe in Nov '06.
Legend of Zelda on Nov 2, 2006

it will be "Revolution-aware" per my prediction in March '05...in this thread...
"Oh the lack of a clear upgrade path..."  :roll:

This puts the Revolution launch in Japan or US at around August.  

Legend Of Zelda is still on track for a spring '06 release.


Wow, thats just great. No really. Does nintendo pay you to spam amiga.org with markiting bs for their new console?

I have a new idea for you, why not shoehorn amiga os 4 into the new controller it's self. Then you can walk into bars with a head mounted display, a nintendo and wave your arms around while telling girls your running aos4 on your controller. Just think of all the women you will attract.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2005, 05:53:23 AM »
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What's your issue?
I put forth an idea almost a year ago about getting a modern Amiga OS into alot of people's hands via the gamecube CHEAPLY.  People knocked down the idea for various reasons.  Mostly pure ignorance.  Short of not having harddrive functionality (which has been hacked into the DVD drive interface...), I've shown it to be quite possible.


And many people responded that they wouldnt bother with it no matter how cheap it is. As an idea its so rotten one of the first posts in this thread accused you of sniffing glue.

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Why does that bother you?
Why should it bother you?


It doesnt bother me, i dont really care

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I've defended my idea.  I'm sticking with it.
As I said about 10 months ago:  work started now could carry over to Revolution.  Pessimism prevented that.  It's users rallying behind a platform creating a perceived demand that induces manufacturers to produce a product that they feel has a viable market.


Thats why your idea sucks. People think its retarded and thats why its not going to happen


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Why do you think the A1 is even here to begin with?  The beauty of the GC is that you can work for a day's pay then go out and buy one.


And then i work another day or two to buy all the extra crap to make it useable.

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 The GC has 20M in global sales.  If Amiga and Hyperion had persued a Nintendo license, the Amiga platform would have gotten free publicity through the normal console channels and sales generated from people who are merely curious alone could have added up to 50,000 users.  That's something that will never happen with an Amy'05, A1, Pegasos, PowerVixxen, or "let's announce another piece of hardware called 'xyz' that will never actually materialize".


Yea, an os on a game console, that would attract a lot of users, it sure worked well for windows CE on the dreamcast. You couldnt give away aos4 for gamecube, nobody would use it. People dont want a brain dammaged computer interfaced to their tv.

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Everything I "predicted" has been proven to be true.
Is that what bothers you?


Predicted what? That the new controller was gonna be wierd? That the new proc was going to be a little faster? That the new nintendo would play some games from the old one?

Whooptie freaking do. You are a robot who parrots bs from nintendo fanboy websites onto amiga.org. I'm suppried there isnt a news post about you on http://pulp.wrongpla.net/news/

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I had a good idea and everybody found it easy to bash it but now my idea, in retrospect, doesn't look too bad.


It's not that people are mean and like to trash good ideas. The reality of it is that your idea sucks. It doesnt help that in the beginning you were pimping the idea around like it's the next evolution in the amiga line of computers.

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If you don't like the thread - don't post in it.  It's posts like yours that have quadrupled the page count.  You don't like the thread - don't read it and don't post in it.  If you haven't realised it yet, I'm not easily discouraged.

Merry Christmas.


This thread is great, so i'll continue to post. How else would i get insite into the exciting world of un released nintendo consoles? I bet you squirt a few wads in your pants every time you see this thread at the top of the heap.

And a merry christmas to you too!
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2005, 08:01:13 PM »
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This thread is great, so i'll continue to post. How else would i get insite into the exciting world of un released nintendo consoles? I bet you squirt a few wads in your pants every time you see this thread at the top of the heap.


With comments like that, I now realize I'm not even talking to an adult.  Maybe it's you that feels that way because you then come here and post to make sure it stays at the top.

You and the same 2 or 3 people think it's a bad idea.  Through out this thread, more users than that have posted that they would like to see it happen.  But they don't continue to post because they don't want to get involved in the childish trolling that's going on here.


Yea, call me a child and then a troll, ignore all the other stuff you cant own up to or explain your position on. Typical LouDias post. Youve got a lot of nerve calling somebody else a troll.

You are always the last person to post in this thread, then the thread dies. You resurrect it days later with another post. The bump post you spew out is of course designed to get somebody else to post a wtf message, and then you call them a troll, hence my comment about you blowing a wad in your pants every time this thread ends up at the top of the list.

Trolling on message boards is a sign that there is something wrong with ones personal life. People troll because they are starving for attention, and you are a person who is very much in need of some attention. If i were you i would take some time for reflection this new years and see what could be done to make your life a happier existance. Perhaps if you put down the controller for a little while and persued some other activities.

in the beginning i dont think you were trolling, after a few months of this thread it was obvious that you were being a troll.

Your posts started off "Hey, check out this idea, GC is the future of amiga" People started stating that this idea wasnt very good.

Your next series of posts you basically nitpicked with people about basic programming concepts and hardware issues. Many posts from several people informed you that "No, the hardware works this way", or "This isnt an issue when it comes to software development", "stuff doesnt work like that, it works like this", and all the while you proceed to argue about it with people who know far more about the subject than you do.

The rest of your posts can be summed up as the following: "Advertisements for nintendo products", "Calling people trolls", "Reposting specs about unreleased hardware from nintendo websites", "Filler posts and reposts to keep the thread bumped up on the list every few days".

Cmon, you know what your doing here, just own up to it.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2005, 01:22:49 AM »
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 Instead I am called a troll in my own thread for staying on the topic I started. That ALMOST MAKES SENSE - NOT!


You have done anything but stay on topic for almost the entire duration of this thread. You didnt bring this thread into existance with the intent to share your idea and have reasonable dialog about the technical issues of bringing your concept into something tangible. Instead youve created a soapbox with which you use to cram the idea down everybodys throat, and you have chosen to ignore the technical advise that many experienced hardware and software developers have offered.

This site is a great resource where one can have meaningful discussion with seasoned software and hardware developers. Why on earth did you decide to troll instead of leveraging this to increase your skill set?

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I said from the begining that work done porting to the GC would carry over to Revolution


No you didnt. You mentioned that for the first time on 2005/3/29. You began the thread on 2005/1/31. That was the 88th message in the thread.

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lou_dias lists a pile of specs for revolution


So what? No matter what angle you look at this, you still have a sub standard machine when it comes to a general purpose computing platform. It seems cheap when looking at it on the surface, but in reality it's not a good deal when applied as a general purpose machine. For 150 dollars, you can get a PC with way better specs. It will come with a harddrive, and lots more memory, and be cabable of driving a high resolution monitor. You will get a machine thats really good at general purpose stuff. Obviously  the gaming experience will suck, thats the trade off.

Not only have you been proposing a cruddy machine, your proposing to put an obselete operating system on that substandard machine. AOS4 brings nothing to the table. I wont go into the reasons why AOS4 is behind the times, the topic has been beat to death worse than this one.

Something like 50% of the american population has a computer in their house. Pretty much everybody who wants a machine has already gone out and bought one. There are so many second hand machines floating around and easy to get ones hands on that even the poorest of people here often have a machine. We are at a point where price of hardware is so low, everybody can have one if they so choose.

Lets condense your idea:

AOS4 on gamecube is a substandard machine with a substandard OS which would be introduced to a saturated market full of heavily branded customers.

This is a terrible business proposal, which virtually guarantees failure. Thats why this is never going to happen.

Amiga is worth nothing more than a logo, fond memories and possibly a joystick product. AOS4 may find some nich market to exploit though, and i hope it is successful. Maybe it's developer base could grow and eventually elevate its position from obslesence. It certainly wont find a market in the sphere of gamecube.

Dennis didnt come to a.org and spam about how great spartan fpgas were the bomb and the future of retro amiga products. He didnt Cram anything down anybodys throat, he didnt make stupid comments about stuff he was unfamiliar with. He just hunkered down, did his research and set out to develop his idea into something real.

You should hit the books, learn c/c++/assembler and help jlf65 port aros to GC if thats your goal. You dont need us to validate your project. Just do it, and you'll get positive feedback and a virtual pat on the back. It's the only way to elevate your self from the position of troll.

The fact that a thread such as this, with over 12,000 views and 500 comments can persist for an entire year, filled with tripe and not disrupt the continuity of the rest of the site or the users is a tribute to how easy going and well manered the user base here is.

/me steps off his soapbox and patiently waits for the next lou_dias double post.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2006, 07:11:10 PM »
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Tripitaka wrote:
I've got 2 GC's...........
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: etc...etc..

...I just had to do that.


omg, this thread is still alive. 20 days till 1 year aniversary. This needs to make it to wikipedia. This is history here. The concept of an amiga/nintendo relationship. A makeup kit computer, complete with rainbow logos on the case and AOS4 inside. The thread that just wouldnt die.

This is history that our great grandchildren will be reading about in their computer history classes when they hit 5th grade.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2006, 11:39:45 PM »
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Yes, I know you've all been waiting for it.
A post in this thread.

According to: www.gc-linux.org
with the addition of a drivechip ( http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/273447 ) that costs $20-$30, you can create ISO's that will boot and run your code.

Once again re-iterating how CHEAP and EASY it is to develop for the Gamecube.


Seeing as you will need a pc to develop for the GC, wouldnt it be cheaper and easier to develop software that runs on pc's?

You get that GC hacked into you car yet?
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #29 from previous page: January 25, 2006, 12:07:38 AM »
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lou_dias wrote:

I live in Mass, I bought the car from Alabama.  There I had leather seats and added a factory sub-woofer option.  From there I had it shipped to Illinois where it's waiting for a racing brake and suspension kit to be built as well as a 6 speed install.  Hope to have it here for the end of March where I will have a remote starter (hope they will install on sticks) and alarm put it.  Then I will have the motor ripped out and purchase a bigger block rebuilt for high performace.  My first spectator drag race is Memorial Day weekend so I need the car driveable by then.

As for the GC install, that's after JLF65 has done his AROS port and suitable AROS applications exist.  However, I can and probably will install a GC in my car when I redesign the dash with the stereo I linked to in a prior post whether or not a suitable OS exists...I mean, after all, it is still a Gamecube.  Thanks for asking.


Dang, thats a lot of transport fees you must be paying there. What kind of car is it? What are the specs on the engine your having put in?