Amiga.org Welcomes Genesi as an advertising sponsor

[samface]

we tried to work out a suitable agreement for both parties many, many times -- all directly and all privately.

You really make things sound so complicated but I really don't see the problem. You talk about their terms beeing unrealistic and impossible to work with. Then may I ask you; unless what I'm about to write is untrue, which are the specific details about these terms that are unrealistic and impossible to work with:

1. Any PPC hardware manufacturer or distributor is free to apply for AmigaOS4 support and a license to use the AmigaOne label with their product. AFAIK, Hyperion themselves even applied for a Pegasos but never recieved one.

2. If the ROM issue would be a problem, they have said that just about any alternative solution can be made, such as a USB dongle for example.

I mean, is it really that hard to get AmigaOS4 support for the Pegasos? You know, it's funny how eager you seem to get AmigaDE support for your Pegasos (even trying to sue Amiga Inc. over it) but not AmigaOS4 support. Weren't you supposed to be working for the best interest of the "community"?

Furthermore, are you saying Amiga Inc. didn't offer you (bPlan) the same opportunity to become the official AmigaOS4 developers as Hyperion? Are you saying Amiga Inc. gave Hyperion a better offer than you got? I find it pretty hard to believe.

Now stop this stupid "they are the ones making it difficult to cooperate" attitude because it's bullocks. YOU are the ones making it hard to cooperate, YOU are the ones splitting the community, YOU are the ones parasiticly marketing your products on someone else's brand, YOU are the ones getting one step closer to beeing the reason for the fall of the Amiga market and the community for each day that passes.

Just my not so humble opinion and completely without care wether people find me to be a troll or not...

[samface]

Cool it. This have been beaten to death over and over. I don't think any one expect the situation to change. So, either dicuss the article or take it else where. I don't want to see another pointless circular argument.

So please give me an appropriate answer then. Yes, this has been beaten to death with counter attacks on Amiga Inc., personal attacks on the person asking the questions, etc. But NEVER with an appropriate answer to the initial question asked. I dare you to point out one occation where an appropriate answer to these concerns has been given and I will stand corrected.

If you define someone repeatedly asking the same questions as a troll, then yes that's what I am. It's a pointless remark since my questions still remain unanswered.

[samface]

just post your question here and as we have been doing with you for weeks we will answer your questions. Simple.

The questions are already there, in black & white. Just read and reply. Simple.

[samface]

And who told you that? Bill spend months e-mailing Hyperion trying to get AOS4 onto the Pegasos, feeling it would sell a few hundred more boards, and Hyperion is the one that failed to respond.

That's not the story I heard from Ben Hermans in the forums of ANN.lu. Please don't ask me to find the URL, just ask anyone of the regulars of Amiga online forums and they'll probably confirm. This is not a fairy tale but a very true story which not even bbrv can deny. The real question is, where did YOU hear THAT?

And the MorphOS guys were offered the same deal as Hyperion and wisely turned it down. If you had any business sence you would have too.

Alright mr. Business Expert, are you saying Hyperion made a bad business decision when they decided to take over the AmigaOS4 development? If not, why would it be such a bad business decision for Genesi/bPlan/The MorphOS Team?

[samface]

Well, YOU were the ones who offered to answer my questions, now YOU are the ones who once more avoid doing so. It's fine with me, just don't blame me when these issues are brought into the subject again. Remember, the lack of "!" causes the "?" and not the other way around.

BTW, how's Amiga Inc.'s non-existing and non-affordable lawyers doing? Pretty good for beeing non-existing and non-affordable, I presume...

[samface]

Sammy, we can still trade emails and you can still post the answers where you want in the complete context of the discussion.

I'm still waiting for a reply to my last letter which I've re-mailed to you *twice*. Like I said earlier; read and reply. Simple.

This last sentence of yours is out of line. You know Amiga Inc. did not have lawyers when we discussed this. Thanks to Rich Woods everyone else knows too. At the last minute they obtained legal representation and now discovery and document production will begin. OK?

Well, you probably shouldn't have jumped into conclusions like you did then, claiming that they couldn't afford legal advise and all. You were obviously wrong, please just admit it and move on.

BTW, last minute? You said yourself that it would probably even take years before this matter has been settled, which makes me wonder how this can be refered to as "the last minute" all of a sudden.

[samface]

Fine, take your time. However, I got other things besides waiting for your reply too, so don't expect me to hold my breath. I've been quiet out of respect for resolving these issues with you for some time now, so now I'll just rejoin the debate with what I've got. Like always, I will try doing my best to stay away from making my own conclusions. But then, like all humans I've got my restrictions. Please correct me when I'm wrong.

[samface]

I was the one replying rather than the one asking me to pursue a debate I didn't have anything to do with to begin with. An argument takes atleast two people, oh wise and neutral Wayne.

/me signing out.

[samface]

Why not take this to the forums to discuss properly?

Been there, done that. We all now what happens to threads that are beeing too negative towards Wayne's new sponsor, even if you do try to make it objective and outside the scope of the front page covered forum topics. Enough about this already.

[samface]

How many people politely asked you not to start this OT BS?

What part of "I wasn't the one who asked me to pursue this debate which I didn't have anything to do with to begin with" didn't you understand? bbrv made a statement about trying to work things out with Hyperion, I *replied* (as in followed his lead), bbrv specificly asked me to state my questions again, etc. How can you possibly interpret me as the instigator? How come you are not "politely" asking bbrv to stop this OT BS? How come *I* am the one trolling?

AGAIN, enough about this already. Please note how *I* am the one wanting this stupid discussion to end.

[samface]

Don't start yelling censorship because nothing has been deleted so far

We have a saying in Sweden that goes like this; "my memory is good but short". Yes, something has been deleted, an entire thread to be a bit more specific.

That is a reply to your statement which is quite obviously untrue, not because I want to continue this stupid discussion. Please restrain yourself from making anymore untrue statements like that so we can please end this here and now.