Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 announced

[samface]

I find WinUAE to be OK though, since they are not marketing their product as a next generation Amiga. You see, that is my biggest problem with bPlan and their methods. They've created an alternative platform which they claim to be an Amiga simply because it has built in 68k emulation and reverse engineered AmigaOS API's. To me, this is simply the worst kind of IP theft you can do and all these news about them in the Amiga land is playing right into their hands. It's just so sad to see how the Amiga community has become such an easy victim for this kind of marketing scam...

[samface]

I don't think the ability to emulate Amiga applications makes it Amiga relevant because then even a Windows machine with WinUAE installed would be Amiga relevant. Anyway...

FYI, from The MorphOS Website:

Today we announce the availability of a new Amiga next generation PowerPC OS project, called MorphOS, to the public.

and more from this url:

...will bring you now what you`ve always wished for....

              AmigaOS running on PPC in 2000

[samface]

@AmiGR:

Great, I should shut up because *you* don't care? How about simply ignoring me instead because I *am* entitled to my own opinion, right? Besides, if you *really* didn't care then you wouldn't reply in the first place...

Regarding my "ugly mouth"; atleast I don't need to censor my sentences like some other people around here, neither am I as fond of using the caps lock key as you seem to be. Do you really think a post like yours is doing anything good for your cause at all?

[samface]

@blubbe:

Butterflies doesn't sting, you know....

....that means my answer is "no" if you haven't figured it out by yourself yet.

[samface]

@blubbe:

Please tell me then, why would your "butterfly" theory be better than the facts I've been pointing out in this thread?

[samface]

@Kronos:

Watch it! You might choke yourself on something.

Hmmm...

...but then, who am I to spoil the fun? ;-)

[samface]

@Seehund

Repeat after me: Buying a motherboard design from a hardware designing company and then modifying it for your purposes is not the same thing as bying a ready made board.

Also, do you remember the blue prints on Eyetech's webpage in the AmigaOne's early stages? You know, the one Eyetech made on their own but couldn't use because Escena didn't deliver the necessary chipsets as promised? What I can't believe is your ignorant statement about Eyetech not having anything to do with hardware design. If you don't believe me, browse to: http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/pics/a1board.gif

Furthermore, drop this whole "Bill McEwen said" crap, you know just as well as I that his reply wouldn't be the same today. For how long are you going to have this grudge against them simply because they made changes in their plans?

And then, stop speculating about the AmigaOS5 and the AmigaDE. Just because they haven't told *you* about the details yet, does that mean that their plans in their office in Snowqualmie has to be "vague"? No.

The "AmigaOne" trademark is a property of Amiga Inc. and they have defined it as hardware that has been ensured to run AmigaOS. Your definition mentioned in your post simply isn't true.

Finally, stop your "must not be" about their license requirements. It's their OS and they decide which hardware they want to support, not you or anyone else. They've decided to only make support for the hardware manufacturers willing to cooperate because they think that will be the best thing to do. You obviously don't have the capacity to comprehend their motive for this but yet you seem to be confident enough to challange their decission. Tell me, how come you think you know these things better than them? I've asked you this so many times without getting even as much an attempt to reply as you prefer to ramble on about your own vision on how you would have done things if you were the owner of the Amiga. Please, can't you even try giving me a reason for why I should listen to you at all?

But anyway, Pegasos is not an Amiga computer.

[samface]

@AmiGR:

Oh well, who cares. Eyetech is still the ones providing us with the hardware, they are the ones making it possible. Saying that they don't have anything to do with hardware is still false.

What you said about the AmigaOS not beeing any sweat and therefore no loss to kill is still not a reason for why they would do such a thing. It simply doesn't make sense. Besides, they can't. Their contract with Hyperion forbids them and gives Hyperion the right to continue development and release it to the end users even if Amiga Inc. themselves would go bancrupt or whatever.

[samface]

@blubbe:

To sum things up of the "oh-so" important "facts" and arguments stated in this thread by blubbe:

1. I have been stung or scared by a Butterfly as a kid.

2. There is no point in giving me real arguments or facts.

3. The things I've repeated so many times, over and over for the last 2 yrs is something I've just made up as I go along.

4. My arguments are crap. No need to tell me why, they just are and I should accept that and go away.

5. My arguments are not even arguments.

Is that correct, blubbe?

[samface]

Well, like Tickly and I already agreed to earlier in this thread, it's a matter of wether you find WinUAE to be Amiga related or not. You and him obviously does while I don't. I mean, would an Amiga with PCTask installed be a PC related computer? IMHO, alternative platform software compatibility through emulation simply isn't magicaly turning that underlying hardware or OS into beeing classified as a part of that platform. People are beeing intentionally fooled into thinking otherwise giving them a ride on someone else's trademark for free. Remember when you could even search for "AmigaOne" in google and Pegasos advertising would show? But then, it's ok since they will "save" the Amiga with their alternative platform, right?

[samface]

Excuse me? I beg your pardon? So, the AmigaOne is more of an Amiga than my 1200, right?

Here we get to another point of mine. Why do people have such a hard time understanding that Amiga Inc. owns the Amiga brand and is therefore allowed to define whatever they want to be "Amiga" as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's IP? The AmigaOne has been defined to be the new Amiga by Amiga Inc. so therefore yes, it is more Amiga than the classic Amiga hardware as it was labeled to be Amiga by previous owners of the name. I even dare saying that your Amiga 1200 isn't an Amiga at all, it's previous Amiga hardware. It's "used to be", "no more" and "dead", can you hear the violins?

[samface]

So? it works EXACTLY the same way OS4 does.

Are you saying that Hyperion has reverse engineered the MorphOS A/Box? Or, perhaps they don't work as *exactly* the same way as you said... (Hey, you're the one that wrote "exactly" in capitol letters.)

It does *NOT* emulate the APIs

Now where did say that? Guess what? I didn't. On the contrary, I've said that they have reverse engineered the AmigaOS API's in previous posts in this thread. That's hardly the same thing as emulating, now is it?

[samface]

But sofar they have delieverd zero evidence, and I doubt they ever will.

But then, you're hardly involved in this case at all, now are you? How could *you* possibly know anything about their evidence at all?

[samface]

If AInc fails to stand up to the competiton, than they will die

But then, we don't even know if we can classify them as competition or "IP thieves" yet, now do we?

You know, the simple fact that their legal status is questionable is enough for most people to not be willing to invest their money in it. Ontop of that, if the owners of the brand has slim chances of making it regardless of how impressive product they sell, what does that tell you about the chances for a clone to that brand? Just something to think about, a point of view if you like.

[samface]

Yeap, while you know every single piece of evidence and are sure that they will win

I never claimed that the facts I have been pointing at would be any kind of evidence that will be used in this case. All I'm saying is that certain things are so obvious for anyone to see that denying it is pointless.

[samface]

[sarcasm]

I believe the MorphOS website states that their product is an Amiga next-genearation PPC OS. Tell me doctor, what should I do? Is it a disease that can be cured?

[/sarcasm]