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Re: OS4 Beta copy
« on: February 19, 2003, 07:18:39 PM »
Horse fodder. Define mass distribution of a Beta...

Mass piracy of a beta release is never good, but the more betatesters a product has before it is released, the better the chances of finding and eliminating possible malfunctions.

Of course, good betatesters vs. some schmuck that wants to play with a beta product are two different things alltogether. Until late beta stages it isn;t a great idea to make your software publicly available, as it may cause harm to data on any user's system that attempts to betatest it. (This is why professional betatesters use different machines, or at least different hard discs for every beta OS and from their normal personal system.)

The main problem here is that thus far AmigaOS4 is a lot of Alpha stage code, with very little Beta, and no Gamma what-so-ever. The only Beta software is probably the Kernel and the filesystem. (The filesystem is probably the only part approaching Gamma stages.)

Come on people...they announced it was almost ready how many times now, and still can't do a bloody demo of it anywhere...and no, showing the Kernel loading is not a demo of the OS..it is a demo of the Kernel, which the user should never have to see.

This is simply depressing.

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Re: OS4 Beta copy
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2003, 09:00:35 PM »
Rubbish!

Show me where I ever mentioned George Lucas or anything to do with him. Where did that come from off the side lines?

In regards to OS4: I have had conversations regarding what the status was a few months ago, and that didn't impress me at all. My sources are my own, and none of your business. If i prove to be incorrect on this matter, I will humbly aologise to those offended, but I at this time see no need to. There is no apparent progress on this product from 6 months ago, nor from one year ago or better. AmigaOne is more late than anything we have announced, and we have never taken orders from anyone, so pre-sold anything, nor even pre-sold certificates or such garbage as A.I. has done.

If we were out to screw the Amiga community for money as some have claimed, we would have done one of more of these many things. We had people walking up to us with cold hard cash trying to preorder systems, and that money was rejected. There is a value of honor in this company, whether or not some would understand it.

My opionions are valued by some, rejected by others. I really couldn't care less about it. May my actions over the next few months prove otherwise, my words are meaningless on deaf ears or blinded eyes.

In the meanwhile, I bid you a temporary farewell as I go to take care of more important matters than whether or not OS 4 is in true Beta or not.

Namárië!

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Re: OS4 Beta copy
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2003, 09:03:27 PM »
A beta system, your daily usage machine? Somehow I don;t think so. While I can believe that you are running an 'AmigaOne' system with Linux in daily use, even if OS4 was in beta, it would be most unwise to use it as a daily OS for important projects. Beta testers never, ever use a beta OS for important work or data.
 

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Re: OS4 Beta copy
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2003, 09:20:07 PM »
Right. Now I'm confused. You said that your Beta system is your main system. Now you say that it is not? What did you mean by
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"It´s my main system for daily usage,and....It rocks!!!!"

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Re: OS4 Beta copy
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2003, 10:16:58 AM »
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Indoro wrote:
Rubbish!

Show me where I ever mentioned George Lucas or anything to do with him. Where did that come from off the side lines?


Amigactive Issue 23, page 37.



No..IIRC it said "We are expecting that our systems will be highly accepted by companies like Spielberg Studios and possible Lucasfilm Ltd. Show me where I made reference to personal dealings with George Lucas, anywhere, ever.

Both companies purchase multimedia products for video editing, etc. We were also anticipating the AmigaDE and a host of promised applications to run on them at that time, none of which will probably ever come out.

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In regards to OS4: I have had conversations regarding what the status was a few months ago, and that didn't impress me at all. My sources are my own, and none of your business.

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i.e. you have no source

No, I have a source with a judicial gag order on him at the moment. Wait a few weeks. Hyperion might have made progress recently, but nothing is apparent on the surface.
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There is no apparent progress on this product from 6 months ago, nor from one year ago or better. AmigaOne is more late than anything we have announced,


That's strange as Hyperion have only been working on it for a year, and some of the progress made has been publically shown.  As for the AmigaOne, I know several people who have one in thier possesion now.  How many people own dual G4 Tsunami boards?

The Tsunami uses the Pegasos board, and it always has. As soon as dual G4 boards are available, they will ship.
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In the meanwhile, I bid you a temporary farewell as I go to take care of more important matters than whether or not OS 4 is in true Beta or not.


What you're finally going to pay Dave?


No, Dave will never get another thin disme from us. He's gotten plenty already, and he still retains a lot of Merlancia design work and IP that we will never see. That physical and intellectual property is worth more than the money he desires to be paid. Furthermore, he had no contracts with us. After being furnished with them he refused to sign them, so he has no legal leg to stand on.

He and his little dog Skal were the reasons we lost $100k to Amiga Inc last January. We have no intentions to give him any more money. He made tens of thousands off of us between May 2002 and December 2002, and never provied us with anything tangeable, not even the paperwork that he supposedly had signed for us with IBM. Nothing what-so-ever except air.

After his little stunt with RWW; and don't think for a second that I'm so stupid that I can't see Count Daveula orchestrating all this through his little RWW Renfield; he'll never see a cent from us again.

Currently he has in his posession prototypes that we purchased, a logic board design that we own, and paperwork that we should have. He was told last year that if he wanted to be paid, that he would have to turn this in as a condition. He refused to do so, and therefore any further communication from him was ignored.

This is the same man that one year ago thought we should dump the Amiga market alltogether to focus on Linux. He's a friend to none of you..this is all a personal vwngence cruisade against us, just like he made on Met@Box and CBM. Maybe you should seek the other side of the story from other employeers that he has had. Apparently everybody is out to get Dave. Ever stop to think that he isn't much of a Saint himself?

I don't know why this has become a topic here. If he had a legal case against us, it would have been filed long ago. He doesn't. Period. I'm sorry we ever hired him.

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Re: OS4 Beta copy
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2003, 11:02:48 PM »
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uncharted wrote:
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Indoro wrote:
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uncharted wrote:
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Indoro wrote:
Rubbish!

Show me where I ever mentioned George Lucas or anything to do with him. Where did that come from off the side lines?


Amigactive Issue 23, page 37.



No..IIRC it said "We are expecting that our systems will be highly accepted by companies like Spielberg Studios and possible Lucasfilm Ltd. Show me where I made reference to personal dealings with George Lucas, anywhere, ever.


I never said you personally delt with him, if you want to be pedantic about it, change "George Lucas" to ILM.  My point is you were critising a company that is actually producing something, when all you have done in the past is spout bullshit about your own companies products (no of which have ever existed except in press releases).


There is nothing trivial or pedantic about it. We never claimed to have personal dealings with Lucas, only that we think LFL/ILM would be interested in our products.

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No, I have a source with a judicial gag order on him at the moment. Wait a few weeks. Hyperion might have made progress recently, but nothing is apparent on the surface.


How conveinient.

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The Tsunami uses the Pegasos board, and it always has. As soon as dual G4 boards are available, they will ship.


So where are the single processor models that were also announced?  And while we're at it where is the CLeo, Apocalype ST, Leopard, Hurricane, Radian, and set-top box also announced???


They have been in prototype or some time. We expect that the MCC will be released by the end of this month to the middle of next.
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What you're finally going to pay Dave?

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I'd love to believe you Doctor, but I can't.  Sorry what are you a Doctor of again? Where did you say you graduated from? Nuff said :-D

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This is the same man that one year ago thought we should dump the Amiga market alltogether to focus on Linux. He's a friend to none of you..this is all a personal vwngence cruisade against us, just like he made on Met@Box and CBM. Maybe you should seek the other side of the story from other employeers that he has had. Apparently everybody is out to get Dave. Ever stop to think that he isn't much of a Saint himself?


Dumping the Amiga market in Linux is a sound business decision.  Certainly in the current climbate, with the market the way it is I wouldn't blame any company for bailing out.

I suppose Dave just made up all those other disgruntled CBM employees as well.  

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I don't know why this has become a topic here. If he had a legal case against us, it would have been filed long ago. He doesn't. Period. I'm sorry we ever hired him.

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Surely on the same token had you a case against Dave it'd be filed long ago.

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No, we have very little we can do about the designs, though retaining the documents and prototypes is theft, and he is comitting multiple acts of libel, and slander.