Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)

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T_Bone said:

@Wayne

It still bothers me that people who should know better are still mealy-mouthing the issue after calling you a liar.

? ? ? Ah - but wasn't Wayne claiming it to be a 'genuine' card in ALL particulars rather then allowing for the possibility of it being an 'example' card?

If Garry Hare actually created THAT card rather than it being run-off by AmigaInc's own business printing customers . . . then Wayne - by claiming that the card was, in ALL ways, genuine - was not debating that issue on firm ground!

Was Wayne just too ready to accept the party line provided by that[/i] individual who passed the card on to Wayne?
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notice- Found below: Edit by admin : trolling and argumentative
That's it then - show where Wayne is getting bested in an argument and that he's resorted to name-calling in response will result in your well-reasoned post being deleted! "it's clearly convenient" how THAT can be done! Good thing that I didn't raise the fact that 2 years ago he was quite dismissive of the PPC processor . . .

Funny, in spite of accusations against AW where that might rarely happen -- win an argument HERE and you'll get deleted for sure!  :lol:

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 Wayne  Posted: 2004/3/29 3:12:23

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Ah - but wasn't Wayne claiming it to be a 'genuine' card in ALL particulars rather then allowing for the possibility of it being an 'example' card?

No, but it's clearly convenient of your memory to think of it that way.

I apologize if my perception of the WHOLE afair has become settled on YOUR shoulders, Wayne, but YOU shouldn't blame me for accusations that others made!

I stated, from the beginning, that I personally did not know whether or not he was actually CEO of Amiga Inc, but that he did -- at least on one occassion present himself as such to the public. He did -- as publicly stated now -- hand out cards stating it as fact. It was, in fact, a "genuine card".

I was defending against those who slammed me for stating that the card was a real card (as opposed to the photoshopped {bleep} that certain people claimed). For this, I was called a liar and have had to put up with months of character assassination.

 . .. "it's clearly convenient of (MY) memory to think of it" as being presented as an unverified[/i] article!

@Wayne- Did YOU in fact seek verification that ALL of the details on that card were genuine before YOU posted of the 'affair' on this site? IOW, did YOU have Garry Hare's confirmation as to the card's contents?

The trouble is that there are some very impressionable folk (like bhoggett) who are inclined to believe any 'spin' presented to them.
(In fact, it seems like that very forum 'spin-meister' still believes that the CARD is, in all ways, quite genuine)

My "memory" has that my thoughts on that ocassion centered around the possibility that THAT card had been created in an office, and not in a regular production run at a printing establishment!

THAT was why I posted THIS,THIS, and THIS   image . . . Images that I created when I was enrolled in a business course and required to create a "business plan" for course credit!

I POSTed those images to show how things shouldn't  always be taken at face-value!  :-o
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(NOTE- Quite nasty Edit by admin : below with misrepresented reasons!)

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I've gone back over WHAT you said here, Wayne, and you claim that the Card is (in your words) "genuine", and you say:

but that he did -- at least on one occassion present himself as (CEO of Amiga Inc) to the public. He did -- as publicly stated now -- hand out cards stating it as fact. It was, in fact, a "genuine card".

whereas Garry Hare states:

In February, 2003, Bill McEwen asked if I would consider joining Amiga as Chairman and CEO. Ultimately I agreed, contingent on Amiga securing a minimum investment and operating capital
. . . I printed 25 business cards with the Amiga logo and my personal contact information.
. . I met with four companies where I know the senior management quite well and one where I did not.
. .  In every meeting I told people that I was considering joining the Company and proceeded with a business discussion.
. . I told David (Traub) I was considering joining Amiga. David asked how to reach me, I gave him a card. At the end of this conversation David said he was associated with Bill Buck . . .

At about the same time I ran into an old friend who publishes a well known gaming magazine. I mentioned I was thinking of joining Amiga and he asked if he could announce it if I did. I gave him a card and promised to call and send him a press release if and when, I joined. There was no such announcement.
(Mr. Buck) specifically knew that I had not taken the CEO position.

I'm really wondering how bhoggett can-
'still claim that the card is (in ALL ways) genuine'?
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'that the Card's presenter was misrepresenting himself, or using a false ID'?

How can a CARD run off by the individual be a quite genuine article, and be a false-ID, at the same time?

How can someone say that they're considering joining Amiga to a FEW select known individuals, and be afterwards described as present(ing) themselves to the public as CEO of Amiga Inc?

I think of the Public and certain individuals as quite different groupings.
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@bhoggett,
I used the term unverified, not false!

My AirCamCo Card Images DO exist, but I've never claimed that the information on those card designs is true information! There you are - I've just verified that (in fact) the information on THESE Cards is not genuine!  :lol:
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and please recall that I said above:
"My "memory" has that my thoughts on that ocassion centered around the possibility that THAT card had been created in an office, and not in a regular production run at a printing establishment!"
and compare that to Gary's: "I printed 25 business cards . . ."!

HOW have I mis-represented the origin of that card?
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(NOTE- Quite nasty Edit by admin : below where with he deteted it because he was shown to be name-calling,- making false accusations,- and revealed to be using faulty logic!)

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At this point ladies and gentlemen, all that needs to be said on the irrelevant subject of invalid business cards, has been.  Any further attempts to sit here and pedantically argue over a non issue will be removed by admin.

If you want to discuss relevant issues such as Amiga's omission of the sale from the court and hiding it from the public, OR the fact that all companies involved are seemingly allergic to the truth, then fine, but the business card {bleep} is done.  It's over.