A common attitude with Windows users here

[Tomas]

So you are saying that all fault is on the user? Windows is not bloaty?  :-?

I turned off every effects/fatures i could on my XP install, the gui still lacks the response you would expect from a decent OS. NT4 running on older hardware is WAY more responsive than XP on a modern pc with all effects/features and such crap removed.

And btw... you should not need to edit the registery/use 3th party programs to be able to turn off the unusable/annoying features that slows the whole system down

I just cant wait for longhorn... i tested the pre beta here the other day, it is WAY worse than the alpha of XP was... Is totally unusable on any computer with less than 512meg ram.

I personally think that m$ should ditch explorer gui totally and instead start developing a new gui from scratch.. Explorer is what is causing most of the problems with windows this days

[Tomas]

I have had ME installed on an old Athlon XP

well here it leaked ram as he*l... After a couple of days of uptime it had leaked so much that i could not even open a folder... It was partily due to a bug in via chipset but still....
Same computer was rocksolid on both winNT, 2k and linux.

[Tomas]

That is a mixture of inaccuracy and fatalism. I've fixed major problems on Windows-running computers and they've gone on to run properly ever since. I'm not saying that is always the case.

You need a bit of luck yep... some hw works decent while other cofigurations barely works at all.

I still say that WinXP and Win9x/me suck on any configuration though. 2K and NT is a much more solid OS  :-P

I disagree. Explorer was perfectly good around NT4. Just give it a few features, such as start > run autocomplete, and it would be fine. Unintegrate IE would be a great course of action. That's the source of many vulnerabilities and bloatyness.

I agree on that... it was ok in the old NT versions but since then too much useless and buggy features was added, which made it bloaty and unstable  :-(

[Tomas]

Where did you get that from? Is this a game of "guess what we think this person might say and pretend that they've just said it"?

from this line: "You'll complain to the ends of the earth how slow/rubbish/unstable/whatever your WIndows installation is, but you are unwilling to do anything about it, eg. find out how to configure Windows correctly."

Cause i for one has tried everything i could to make XP useable for me

[Tomas]

If you like, email me your problem, as much info as possible, and I'll try and help you solve it.

nah I changed back to 2k/linux dual boot, so atm i am as happy as i can be using windows. But as i said... the problem iwth XP is that the gui is so much less responsive than NT/2k and some stability issues where explorer just tend to die.
I got it much faster than default install though, but still just to slow to me.

No man can fix this for me unless you change my perception on what is "fast/responsive"
I can see why 9x/me users are perfectly happy with XP though  ;-)  XP is a much better OS than any flavour of 9x

[Tomas]

All operating systems have noticeable flaws.

Very true! But some have more flaws than others.

[Tomas]

And whoever came up with USB ADSL modems should be shot, his or her body drawn and quartered, then force fed to the person who ok'd the idea.

I totally agree there! The ethernet standard is WAY better! USB is slower, more unstable and restrict you usually to just on or 2 OS, which is usually Windows and some few times Mac..  :-(

I agree with the_leander btw... BeOS was the best OS on x86! It is WAY better than both windows and linux on the desktop side... stable as hell, easy to use, no reboots needed, good with multimedia and so on... Too bad m$ killed beinc.. it could have had a very promising future  :cry:

[Tomas]

Also Windows is supported and a heck of a lot more hardware integrated than Linux is, and at least i can walk to a store and buy a piece of software and it runs out of box.

This is entirely the cause of microsofts monopoly... Hardware manufactors are only developing drivers for microsofts products.. Linux and other OSes has to live with drivers that are made by voluntarily people that only does it as a hobby.. there is a few exceptions though...

I would also make a comment about XP, yes it takes a while to boot up from a cold boot.. Suspend and resume works great for me and saves where I was.. All modern PCs support that (which is close to instant ON as you can get).

My laptop got a bsod when i woke it up from suspend mode in XP.. worked fine on both 2k and even linux!  :-D

Ummm...waste of time? Open your eyes and look around you, more than 90% of the world rely on it, whether you like it or not, its a part of life. Microshaft isn't going anywhere for a while, so you might as well take the time to at least understand it.

Why should he/she bother to learn Windows, when some other OS might do the same job better?

There is loads of better OSes around... Take for example BeOS... much smaller, more stable, no reboot needed, boots in less than 10secs and so on...

And why did microsoft with win3.1 be able to get such a big userbase, while os/2 lost its userbase? Win3.1 with its lack of multitasking, 16bit os hosted on dos.. while os/2 was 32bit and much more stable!! amazing... sure was not because of quality of the product..  sigh  :-(

[Tomas]

bhyman1 wrote:
oh, and to those who have complained about Windows in general, you are dillusional.

The problem is YOU. You are either impatient too

 learn someting new, or just plain ignorant.

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So you mean everyone who dislike it is just plain stupid, just because you like it and have no problems with it?

I have had experience with microsoft products"OSes" since the dos days and all of them sucked compared to alternative OSes i have used through the time..

May i ask what OSes you have tried?

I think it is lame to call everyone who have a different opinion dillusionaled amatours... But oh well... you know better than everyone anyways...

I also find it funny how installing some software might destroy your whole XP install...not being able to boot even in safe mode with everything turned off.. I think that is pretty weak for a modern OS...

[Tomas]

Regarding stability issues, I've gotta say just based on personal experience that 75% of it is HARDWARE HARDWARE HARDWARE! When I get calls from friends and family regarding flaky PCs, invariably I crack the hood on the system to find generic, no-name RAM, substandard (non mil-spec??? ) motherboards by wonderful companys like MSI and so forth, mismatched RAM (PC2100 + PC1700 etc.) and all sorts of Frankenconfigurations.

This can often be the case yeah... But still it cant explain all problems.. I mean if it was just the hardwares fault, then home come it works perfectly on some other OS?

And you cant dismiss the fact that every user have a diffrent perception on what is stable/fast and so on.

I have heard many people saying how they can have their windows puter up for a whole week! Which i personally think is lousy! A decent os after my opinion should not need to be rebooted or crash in months of time. Take for example my dads pc running linux... It is at somewhere between 75-80 days now, and its being used every day... with winXP the exact same puter either crashed or had to be rebooted usually before a full week.. And yeah... was using ONLY microsoft certified drivers!

And btw why do you have to reboot windows still? Installing gfx drivers, soundcard drivers nearly allways leads to a forced reboot.. even in some cases installing a damn program... i really expect more from a modern OS.

I am not saying linux is even near perfect though, it has its flaws also... i think thought that beos was pretty damn near perfect, would have been an awesome OS if there had been more games/software and hw drivers.

And i again say... every OS has a flaw of some sort but some have more than others...

[Tomas]

I especially like that you can shove just about any USB device under the sun into your already on and working XP machine and it magically knows what it is, magically configures it, magically installs any drivers required for it (and if it doesnt have it it can get the latest ones automatically from the MS update site without any user input) and doesn't have to reboot: 20 seconds later you're using your new USB device and no questions asked.

If the device has support for it in the linux kernel, the usb device will actually be fully working as soon as you plug it in... no questions asked  :-P

But still why most usb devices causes trouble on other oses is because of lack of drivers, which again is microsofts monopolys fault.. no hardware manufactors makes drivers for other oses... All the drivers on linux, beos and such is made by hobby programmers who do it for free.....  You CANNOT blame lack of drivers on the OS

[Tomas]

Months, for my Win2k server. I turn off my XP desktops just so the den won't be so damned hot every morning!

There is a big difference on a server and a workstation.. The computer is much more vurnable to unstability when you sit on it and play games, surf the web and so on.. My dads linux pc is infact used daily with games, surfing web, chatting, mp3/video and so on.. And btw.. my debian linux server did somewhere between 260-270 days until lighting hit the electrical system, which killed of one tv, hub, monitor and one pc... luckily the server survived with just a reboot