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[TrashyMG]

And the other way around? What does Gunnar have to say about the concerns and reservations of developers, demo coders etc. because that's what really matters.

Can you list these developers that are so concerned?

[TrashyMG]

  In 2018 vampire has 68060 50 MHz integer performance, 12 times worse floating point performance than 68060 50 MHz, has no MMU, has no 3D support.  
Advantages over old 68060 cards for amiga are: faster RAM and faster 2D graphics.
  At current price, performance, compatibility vampire is not attractive to amiga ng users, and advanced classic users.
It is simple, nobody want to change hardware to worse and pay for it.

Even if those blatant performance lies were true, it won't be with the gold 2.7 release as Gunnar and team have managed a full HW FPU solution on the current vampires in the latest beta builds of their core, which is fully compatible, plus considerable faster than any 68060 even overclocked to it's limits.

Cost $320 dollars for a V2 Vampire is not that much really, vs what a thousand or two dollars for an old 68060 card that may be in good enough shape to run properly? NG systems are way out of my price range.

[TrashyMG]

So now it is full HW FPU on gold 2.7 too? No software emulation taking place? You know this for a fact? Or is it just the usual spin? Because the hearsay was exactly same thing a year ago.

Was confirmed the other day on IRC and the forum

I have systems with Vampire cards and I have systems with 030 cards and I have systems with 060 cards, and CSPPC, and I have MiST, Minimig, MiSTer and soon FleaFPGA... which of all those do you think gets used _least_?

Lets see the one that is made by a team you have a predisposed hatred for?

For USD 320 you can get a damn nice AROS system, brand new.

Okay sure, but it doesn't boost my classic hardware.

[TrashyMG]

Experience tells me that such confirmations are pretty worthless.

Well that and there are a ton of videos out there from Devs testing that core.

I have zero hate here, what you are seeing is disappointment and eye-rolling over a project that initially was cool, but then turned out to be something else.

Serious?, you're relentless on multiple forums.

And no, i don't use the Vampire systems much. Most of the software I want to use on them does not run on them, and the software that does run, runs just as well and even better elsewhere. My most used system is hands down the MiST, which is a fraction as fast as the Vampire, but can pretty much run the same software, and with AGA it can even run a lot of software that the Vampire systems cannot run currently. Maybe with Gold core 2.7 and 3 they will see more usage, but I kinda doubt it.

MiST is only realy good if you only just want to do WHDLoad or classic things. My MiST has literally been a Paper Weight even before getting my Vampire(s).

So? You said "NG is too expensive", neither MorphOS nor OS4 boost your classic hardware either.

Never said they did, still they're expensive.

I suggest you buy Vampire card, now, at once, while you can. Wait for V4? There are no guarantees that there will be a V4.

Already have two of them, looking forward the V4, but don't really have an interest in the stand-alone version as I'm a fan of using the classic hardware.

[TrashyMG]

Testing seems to be limited to running demos?

No there are also games and other things like Lightwave and such.

So are many others, don't confuse enthusiasm with hate.

Yeah but others are not purposely pushing false or skewed information to prove their points.

Right "or classic things" - I am in it for the "classic things". When I use Vampire systems, it's like using a broken UAE setup, there is speed, but software often crash in obscure ways and behave weirdly. And the speed is not really _that_ great either. On the MiST, with a few exceptions, things work consistently, and as expected.

It seems to run fine for me. I have it running for days for IRC.

When you have a V4 inside the Amiga, with Gold Core 3, your "classic hardware" is reduced to a glorified keyboard, mouse and joystick extension of the V4.

Not quite correct, all the normal original chipsets are still there and can be used when needed.

[TrashyMG]

What's not classic about an A2000 CPU card with a 060 on it?
And a graphics card made just like they used to make them, could almost mistake it for a Piccolo SD64. Classic.



Maybe you should change hardware with TrashyMG then, he is "a fan of using the classic hardware", and I am not sure if a Vampire card with Apollo Core falls under "classic hardware", and the Apollo Team is in dire need of developers like you

I still consider it as such. I have a vampired A600 and A2000, I have a pair of stock A500s outside of trapdoor memory expansions if I want authentic back in the day Amiga use. I like working on the real systems, just like playing on souped up ones as well.