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Keep in mind that if you are buying Mac OS X Leopard, you already own a Mac.

Apple didn't gain any new users, they just sold an upgrade to existing users.

Total gain in market share for Apple = 0%.
 

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Re: Out of the blue, Apple topples Micro$oft in Japan with more market share!
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2007, 06:40:40 PM »
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By that same logic, people are buying Vista to go on their already existing PC's.  So total gain for Microsoft market share is also 0%


Because people can't buy or assemble a new PC and buy Vista to run on it?

Not to mention the fact that Microsoft really doesn't need to gain any market share.
 

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Re: Out of the blue, Apple topples Micro$oft in Japan with more market share!
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2007, 06:50:12 PM »
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That is not really what is happening. For Vista you really need a new AND expensive PC, a cheap PC from three years ago simply wont do. On top of that as soon as Vista SP1 is released you will need to buy a new video card since cards one year or older are deemed "unowrthy".


I often wonder if the people bashing Vista have actually ever used it.

Vista runs quite nicely on my PC that consists of a $30 motherboard, a $7 CPU, a $12 heat sink and fan, $40 worth of ram, an $87 hard drive, a $22 case, a $15 power supply, a $34 DVD burner, a $25 CD burner, a $15 sound card, a $40 video card, and a $10 monitor.

I also have a $7 keyboard and a $12 mouse.

That's $356 in total. Not really an expensive PC, by any standards.
 

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Re: Out of the blue, Apple topples Micro$oft in Japan with more market share!
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2007, 08:39:11 PM »
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You are pulling my leg, rught? You are running Vista with only 512 Mb of RAM? That is the bare minimum for XP. Do you really do anything besides websurfing with that machine?


Actually, I've recently upgraded to 1 gig, but Vista does run fine with 512 Mb.

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A case already comes with a power supply, another indication that you are yanking at my leg.


First of all, not all cases come with power supplies. My case did, but I replaced it with a better one.

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Come on, where can you buy a new vga monitor for ten bucks? If this machine was built with used parts then it is not a clear reflection of market prices.


I never said the monitor was new. It is a used HP 20 inch CRT. Works quite nicely.
 

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Re: Out of the blue, Apple topples Micro$oft in Japan with more market share!
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2007, 08:43:19 PM »
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Compared to the $200 PC Walmart sells that comes with Linux....


The $200 PC from Walmart could probably run Vista too.
 

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Re: Out of the blue, Apple topples Micro$oft in Japan with more market share!
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2007, 10:31:57 PM »
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It is hilarious to me how people do not realize they are making contradictory statements. If vista was fine with 512 Mb, why upgrade? I mean, the commodore 64 had only 64k and did run fine, you could upgrade but very few people did (even tough to this day it is the best selling computer model of all times) because *drum roll* it was fine as it is.


Some of the software I use works better with 1 gig. (Under Win XP, btw.)

Besides I said Vista works fine with 512 Mb, which it does. I didn't say that it wouldn't work better with more memory.

Where's the contradiction, exactly?

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All new cases I can buy locally come with power supplies, then I suppose yours was also second hand.


I suppose you live somewhere where there is only one crappy computer store then. Most high end cases do not come with a power supply.

No, my case was new. It even came with a power supply, as I previously mentioned. I just replaced it with a better one.

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I have no doubt it works quite nicely, I have buyed second hand hardware for many years and know first hand that you cannot compare the prices of new items with the low prices of used items. Besides, not two second hand items cost the same, it is a matter of luck, the time you expend searching for it and how the degree of computer knowledge you have (some people think they stuff is junk just because they do not know how to use/fix it).


I bought two of them, actually...

New monitors are pretty cheap anyway, and you're going to need one no matter what PC you use, so it shouldn't really be considered in the cost of the computer itself.
 

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Re: Out of the blue, Apple topples Micro$oft in Japan with more market share!
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2007, 03:00:43 AM »
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Does our vacuum cleaner works fine? Then it would not make sense if you changed the motor inside it. Does your refrigerator works fine? Then no use changing the motor in it? Does the company web server works fine? Then there it would be a waste of money to buy more memory from it. No, a computer cannot work fine if you need to buy more memory from it, either it is needed or it is a waste of money.


Just because something works fine doesn't mean it can't get any better. Unless it is your goal in life to achieve a perfect state of mediocrity, of course.

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For me at least a personal computer case is a piece of utilitarian hardware, not a fashion statement nor a mainframa (that requires extra cooling hardware) housing.


That really doesn't change the facts though, does it?