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Picasso IV..defect
« on: February 01, 2009, 03:47:37 PM »
When I got my Escom A4000T there was a Picasso IV inside it.
The card worked perfectly for about a week until the scandoubler/flickerfixer on it didn't give any output.
This happened about two years ago, I didn't do any major troubleshooting but replaced it with a Cybervision64 and a videoslot SD/FF instead.
Today I tested the card in one of my A4000D instead to see if it's just my A4000T that's causing the trouble but the card's SD/FF gave no output :(
Is it worthwhile repairing the card by sending it to amigacenter for example? or sell it as broken?
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Re: Picasso IV..defect
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 05:02:43 PM »
Thanks for all the suggestions, guys  :-)

I'll extract the chips this weekend and give them and the sockets some threatment with CRC Electric Cleaner spray..

I have a plcc extractor or whatever it's called to I won't mess with an old rusty screwdriver to get the chips out  :-D
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Re: Picasso IV..defect
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 03:52:18 PM »
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Crumb wrote:
@AMIGAZ

If it's just the FliFi perhaps the flash of the FliFi has lost the config.

Launch PicassoPrefsNG and reconfigure the scandoubler, save the prefs. Shutdown your miggy, cross your fingers and turn on your machine again.


uuuhh..it was some time ago I fiddled with this
I don't have a working Picasso96 setup for the card, do I need that for changing the config?
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Re: Picasso IV..defect
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 06:32:05 PM »
ahh..it's that disk...I have it..now I remember :)
I'll give it a go and use my external SD/FF to get some output before I start messing with the socketed chips  :-)
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Re: Picasso IV..defect
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2009, 03:54:16 PM »
Partial success!!

I hooked up my external DCE SD/FF so I could install Picasso96 from scratch
Transfered PiccassoModeTNG over to the A4000 and ran it and made a new config suited for my monitor and saved into into ROM of the PIV :)
The prevois config must have been totally retarded

My problem now is that games tend to lag...it's especially apparent in the Pinball series by Digital Illusions

Is there some setting on the PIV I haven't tweaked correctly?
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Re: Picasso IV..defect
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2009, 09:16:50 PM »
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alexh wrote:
Can you run P4info and post the results?

You probably need to change the default scan rate conversion?

i.e. Set the scandoubler output frequency rate to 50Hz if your monitor supports it.




I'll post those result tomorrow, thanks :)
Now it's almost ZZzzz time over here :P
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Re: Picasso IV..defect
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2009, 07:05:07 AM »
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Glad to hear you got it going! :pint:


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My problem now is that games tend to lag...it's especially apparent in the Pinball series by Digital Illusions

Is there some setting on the PIV I haven't tweaked correctly?


This seems to be a problem with the PIV, at least my revision of the card (1.2N) with all the "latest" chips is also affected. F'n retarded bug if you ask me.

All you can do is tweak the frequencies to get it close as possible. If you get it looking good with a pinball game, most other things will look perfect.

Some info I posted in an earlier thread about this:

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PAL line frequency (in the TNG tool) needs to be as close to 31.5552 as possible.

NTSC hsync needs to be at or slightly above 31.4857.


If someone here has an earlier revision PIV which does scroll perfectly, I would be interested in seeing a screenshot from the TNG tool, showing the PAL/NTSC settings.



Have no clue what revision my card is...
I hope my tweaking of the settings with the TNG util will help  :-)
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Re: Picasso IV..defect
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2009, 07:06:56 AM »
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Jose wrote:
I get the "comb" artiffacts on Pimball Illusions, don't remember getting any lag. To eliminate the comb effect you must turn off "Interlace capture" on the flicker fixer options of the picasso start up screen.


Maybe you can call it "comb effect" I think it's the correct word for what I'm having here

How do I access the Picasso startup secreen?

I noticed I also have a bit of flickering in Pinball Illusions in the high res. laced modes
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Re: Picasso IV..defect
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2009, 07:34:30 PM »
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Jose wrote:
I get the "comb" artiffacts on Pimball Illusions, don't remember getting any lag. To eliminate the comb effect you must turn off "Interlace capture" on the flicker fixer options of the picasso start up screen.


T tried this but am still getting the comb effect...
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Re: Picasso IV..defect
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2009, 07:43:34 PM »
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-D- wrote:
Glad to hear you got it going! :pint:


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My problem now is that games tend to lag...it's especially apparent in the Pinball series by Digital Illusions

Is there some setting on the PIV I haven't tweaked correctly?


This seems to be a problem with the PIV, at least my revision of the card (1.2N) with all the "latest" chips is also affected. F'n retarded bug if you ask me.

All you can do is tweak the frequencies to get it close as possible. If you get it looking good with a pinball game, most other things will look perfect.

Some info I posted in an earlier thread about this:

Quote
PAL line frequency (in the TNG tool) needs to be as close to 31.5552 as possible.

NTSC hsync needs to be at or slightly above 31.4857.


If someone here has an earlier revision PIV which does scroll perfectly, I would be interested in seeing a screenshot from the TNG tool, showing the PAL/NTSC settings.



I set the line frequency to the above value and the combv effect vanished but now I'm looking at a screen with 50hz refresh *my eyes!!*  :-o
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