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Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
« on: February 02, 2011, 08:13:45 AM »
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Wish him good luck with the C64x sales.
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Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 01:16:27 PM »
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Well, I am impressed with the responses we are getting.  In the past we've had companies that either wanted to do everything retro (Keep the Amiga classic) or strip the name for something totally left field (Amiga Anywhere).
 
What BigBenAussie has leaked to us to me actually makes sense.  They have paid the money for the name and want to make it into a worth while system again.  Can that really be done with keeping to the "classic" arcitecture and business plan?
 
Not really.
 
Today's computer market isn't the same. System wars are now more in the Video game market in that sense.  Trying to do it with computer hardware is sure fire way to lose all your money.
 
I've always thought that the biggest problem with ANY Linux distro is that there wasn't any solid backing to it.  If the everyday user is going to get into Linux, it'll be through a company that makes ONE build and simplifies the process and trouble shooting for the masses.  In my head, that is exactly their model.  I could be wrong, but hey, that's why I'm not paid for my opinion :)
 

Well put. I agree on your points. Take Linux Mint for example it has it's own polished look, it's themed in a way that you see immidiately that it's Linux Mint. And it has been made easy to use. You could build an new Amiga like OS the same way. You will have to do much more work than just make a new skin but I now see why it can be done.

So here's how to build an Amiga, it can be done in two ways:

1)You take an old "Amiga" (AmigaOS,MorphOS,AROS) you repaint, polish it put some glitter on it (I mean all the coding of course and that takes let's say 10+ years) and then you look for apps to use. You then realize that all Amiga apps are atleast 15 years old and that there are many opens source variants that does the same job much better (Think: OO, Gimp, Blender, Inkscape etc.) You then start to port them to your "AmigaOS" (takes 10 years to get the most important).  So you got your renewed AmigaOS & apps in no time (20 years or so). ;-)

2)Take something already up todate (Linux distro) stuff away everything you don't need, repaint, polish, put some glitter on it. (takes 2+ years to go out of beta, maybe 4 to final polished version you're very proud of). Look for apps to use. You realize you don't need to port them because they where made to work for your chosen OS. You got your renewed AmigaOS in notime compared to the alternative (4 years or so)

Compare the two: Put the machines side by side they both look alike. You have made the CLI looks the same, all windows, screen dragging(TM) of course :) You think you can tell the difference but they both boot as fast, both has equally snappy UI. You look at the apps you use, yup they're the same all from the open source world. OK you have to run the old stuff in a emulator on one of the machines but hey that gets rarely used and emulation works good enough for that. ;-)

So which one is Amiga enough for you? The goals are the same it's only how you get there which is different. To me it doesn't matter but I'd pick the one that has the lowest entry level cost and the one that can get new apps more frequently. I'd dump the one that I'm missing out on. The one that makes me have yet another operating system and even worse yet another machine sitting next to it.

Yeah, reality is harsh but this is how I see it. And Carl,Dave, R&J, Dale isn't coming back to make me a "real" Amiga either ;-)
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Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 02:37:38 PM »
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How to say this...Amiga OS functions nothing like Linux.

Trust me I was aware of that :-) But what if you could tweak Linux to work the same way, and the difference is something you can only prove by looking at the source code?

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'they both boot as fast' -how do you know this? My Amiga boots up one hell of a lot faster than windows or my Ubuntu install.


I was of course hypothetically speaking. Boot time is one challenge with project 2) amongst many others.

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'both has equally snappy UI' again it does not exist, so how do you know?

Same as above

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'You think you can tell the difference' the difference is not just the skin, it's what is under it. I find linux file system inelegent, and the UI and fundamentals too technical. I do not find this with the Amiga.


I agree, if it's done in a sloppy way it won't be anything I desire either. But if it's done right you'd not notice the above either.

Another question is : just because it never has been done does that mean it can't be done?
AmigaOS or MorphOS on x86 would sell orders of magnitude more than the current, hardware-intensive solutions. And they\\\'d go faster. --D.Haynie
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