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Offline Castellen

Re: A3000 Intermittent Heat Related Problems?
« on: November 08, 2010, 09:46:31 AM »
Quote from: Brosol;590261

Usually when you replace the PAL chips with GAL's they run alot cooler.Are you sure the replacements are GALS? Are the GAL replacements at least as fast or faster than the originals?maybe a bad replacement chip?
>>>> I got GAL U202, U203, U714 replacements from....Anthony Hoffman so I'm sure its ok.


Yes, those parts are modern equivalents to the original programmable logic.  They can run faster, draw less current and as a result will dissipate less heat.

Reseating all the socketed devices is a good suggestion, plus it doesn't cost anything.  Be careful not to bend legs when re-inserting, etc.

Personally I wouldn't expect it to be a capacitor related issue.  While the electrolytics do reduce in capacity with age and heat, I wouldn't expect such a capacity loss to cause that much grief.  Maybe if the capacity were to reduce more than 50%, although that kind of reduction is unlikely in all of the electrolytics in only 20 years or so.

All of the high frequency decoupling is done using ceramic and monolithic capacitors, the small blue/yellow ones by each IC.  These devices are very stable with heat and age and would have degraded very insignificantly.

Another suggestion is to remove the case cover from the A3000 to help test the heating theory.  Although this stops the fan drawn air circulation, it does promote convectional air flow.  One of my A3000s tends to start having heat related problems similar to what you describe after a few hours running.  Without the case cover on it seems quite reliable though.  Does have a lot of crap installed in there, Cyberstorm mk2, Picasso IV, etc, etc.  Not surprising that air circulation is poor and heat buildup is an issue.  Never did solve the problem, the A3000 only gets infrequent use as it's the backup for the main computer (A4000T).

Last suggestion is send it down here to Antarctica :)  I've only seen it down to -30C so far, but it'll get colder during winter.  If that doesn't keep the A3000 cool then nothing will!
 

Offline Castellen

Re: A3000 Intermittent Heat Related Problems?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 06:03:37 AM »
Quote from: Brosol;590290

Wow if not even you found a solution for the poor air circulation and heat build up....then there's no hope?


Actually I never really looked for a solution.  Suspect it would probably be better with decent air circulation, etc, but that involves cutting holes and mounting fans.  There's probably other solutions, but I lacked time to try things.  Plus I know the Cyberstorm mk2 is running a bit hotter than it should be.  As mentioned, it's only the backup computer, so doesn't get a lot of attention.

Seems you may be introducing a host of unknowns with many IDE adaptors and the likes.  If you're able to, it would be worth returning the A3000 to a fairly simple, basic, state.  Including a real SCSI disk with FFS.  It's slow, but it does work reliably enough to prove a point.

These kinds of problems can be a real pig to track down at times.  So my suggestion would be to start with as simple system configuration as possible then work your way up.

Another stupid idea; if you have a large chest freezer, run the A3000 in there to prove a point with the heating theory.  The inside case temperature will end up 30-40 degrees C less than what it currently is when operating at ambient room temperature.  Most disks and other consumer electronics are only rated down to 0 degC, so if you put it in the freezer and get it running within 20 minutes or so, the heat generated will keep things above the minimum operating temperature.

As an example, I'm currently soak testing a HSDSL modem outside on top of a mountain here in Antarctica.  Even though ambient is -20C, I can remotely see the modem's internal temperature is +24C.  It's been working happily all week so far.