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Offline BigBenAussie

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Re: IT Education: Degree or Certificate?
« on: April 15, 2004, 07:13:32 PM »
If they want to be software engineers it'll be hard to get your foot in the door without a degree.

If they want to be network admins, I hear that the certificates are useful.

This is based on my US and Aussie experience.

I would seriously deter them from being software engineers. The market is sooooooo bad, what with outsourcing and all, that I'm seriously considering changing to something else.

As a Software Engineer in the MS tech world, even though I can find other jobs they aren't significantly better than my current and you would think as I gain more experience that my salary value would go up, but I am finding that not to be the case any more. Everyone is hanging on to their jobs for dear life. Lucky, my salary is stable from the dotcom era.

Its a really sad situation. There will be hardly any software engineers in the western world in 10-15 years time. I wouldn't start an IT degree now, and if you just completed one, I would just go back to school and get a different degree.

When the Deans of Universities are saying at College Computer Science Graduation ceremonies that you will need to change your vocation several times in your life they aren't kidding.

IT is the first thing to go. Then Financial stuff, accountants etc. Basically, anything that doesn't require someone nailed down is going to be offshored. Globalisation sucks!!!! The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, but we have all these healthy economic statistics, but never mind where the money goes.

Your friends would be safe with System Admin stuff though as you need them on site.
 

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Re: IT Education: Degree or Certificate?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2004, 10:17:19 PM »
@takemehomegrandma

ARE YOU NUTS!!!!! :-?
MOVE TO INDIA!!!!! :-o
YOU'D GO INSANE IN HALF AN HOUR!!!! :madashell:  
You must be saying this in jest surely....
You cannot possibly be serious. :roll:

Not to mention that the work ethic in India is completely different to the west. They'll compete to work the longest. 14 hours days will be your average and they don't have a good quality of life as a result.
India is an IT sweatshop....and that is hardly enticing. And don't you DARE tell me that Indians create better quality software because that's BS!!!  :pissed:

Not to mention the fact you need to give bribes just to get a telephone connected. India.....Are you kidding?
It's as foreign to westerners as working in the centre of Baghdad!!!! Westerners would die of culture shock, in fact I'm nearly in a coma from just working with Indians. :furious:

To say such a thing you must either be Indian or have never worked with any because you just don't get it.

India:destroy:  
 

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Re: IT Education: Degree or Certificate?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2004, 10:27:14 PM »
CRAP!!!!! ITS ONLY A PERCEPTION!!!!
WHICH YOU ARE FUELLING!!!!! :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:
 

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Re: IT Education: Degree or Certificate?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2004, 10:28:20 PM »
Oh....I see....you must be flame baiting me.....yeah flame the newbie...ok.. Fine....you're still wrong. :-x
 

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Re: IT Education: Degree or Certificate?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2004, 12:52:58 PM »
I never said that Software Engineers don't have it good in India. But you just can't go there and become one either. I'm sure they make you go through hoops just as they do with getting a greencard. But that's beside the point, unless you are Indian, you will always be an outsider there. And that is pretty depressing.

Indians are incredibly clingy to their own and they will find any opportunity to heap {bleep} on you. I work for an Indian company now in the US and let me tell you I'm as depressed as all get out for it. Especially some Bleep telling me to do stuff in broken English who hasn't got a FREAKING clue. Wait until the shoe is on the other foot. Wait until they are your masters and see what you think!!

Just because an IT worker in India can afford so many luxuries does not mean they lead a good life. They are incredibly competitive with eachother to survive to the point of not having a life. Believe me India is better left to Indians.

THE FREAKING WORLD BANK HAS CAUSED MORE MISERY IN THIS WORLD THAN IS CONCEIVABLE!!!!  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:
THEY ARE FULL OF {bleep} AND UP TO THEIR NECKS IN IT!!!
Read some books/articles/videos by journalist Greg Palast.

You must be a republican to fall for such propaganda!!!! Oh, you're Greek. Never mind.
The poor in these countries do not get richer if there's HYPER inflation!!!! Great, this poor guy is now making $15US a week instead of $5US a week but his cost of living has increased orders of magnitude above the pay increase. Statistics like these from the abominable world bank are lies to fulfil their global agenda of world control.

Economic statistics. ITS ALL A CON. Ask yourself who has to gain from the information provided.

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World Bank:destroy: