Well, that sounds about right for a multi-national corporation. Here's more bad/good news: the tower is blazing merrily along on this '060 card. The only trouble I have with it now is the number of my favorite programs which break under os 3.9. The card itself, once you locate the right '060 libraries, is just fine. So I have the Cyberstorm running in the desktop A4000 and the Beast with it's one-of-a-kind (apparently) '060 card. This reminds me of the time I saw several Intergraph CADD workstations in the dumpster behind my office at Dept. of Transportation (NY) They had their 18x20 digitising tablets, 15 button mice, 19" monitors... and dual processor cpus. I dragged two out of the dumpster and took them home to discover that not only did they work just fine, they had all their software intact, except for data files! That means enough civil engineering stuff to design an entire highway system. But they were running under unix and Intergraph had stopped supporting unix, so DOT dumpped their machines. The next day they had noticed that someone had salvaged two machines so they had the rest of them up on pallets with miles of shrink wrappping to make sure nobody else got any use of them. They were going to be crushed and buried!! The Law wouldn't even allow them to be given away to local schools, even if wiped of their software. I still have them, and my good old pal Larry even came thru on that one. I told him that the hardware was all propriatory so I could not use the extra monitor I had with my amigas. When he visited this last time, the time he collapsed and died on us... he had brought me the adaptor that would allow me to connect the monitor to a PC. It was a several hundred dollar thingy that someone at the office was throwing out. I guess Philips had one of those unix workstations and did the same thing DOT did. Go figure.