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Re: IndivisionECS will have dual video output!
« on: August 28, 2009, 02:22:13 AM »
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Ouch! $140 each, I guess I will just have to get one, not the 6 I was planning on.

lol @ ROFL.   I am with you on this one quarkx.
Way too expensive.  I don't give a flying sh** about outputting on 2 LCDs.   Should have designed a cheap solution without all the extra fuss...  one screen lower price.   I have the Amber 2320 and it does a fine job for me for 8 years now.   This is a perfectly good example of an Engineer doing overkill of a design, inflating the price in the process.  Most people won't need this if they have no Graphics card.  Note to all: i'm not bashing Jens as engineer (nice design).  Just saying he should have made it such it could be cheaper.  Don't add all the extra things, keep the price more affordable.
How much cheaper?  My take is $80-100 range ($99 would be ideal).
I may be hesitant to spend $140.
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Re: IndivisionECS will have dual video output!
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2009, 06:57:10 AM »
You're an a*****e too buddy, and pretty low to resort to name calling (isn't that against this site's rules?).  
You know everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter if yours or mine is stupid or not.
I just think the better price would be $99 not $140.  its a flicker fixer newly produced, great, I would expect a better price than some old stuff you find on ebay.  You pay for rarity factor there.
Anyway don't give me that no one makes a hefty profit (which is fine) on amiga hardware.  Jens, amigakit all those dealers do.  Jens deserves it because he has to live off it, some dealers the same.  However, making larger quantities of the products would sell more at better prices of that i have no doubt.  Yeah, I'd buy 2 or 3 now i'm going to buy ONLY 1.  Challenge to dealers: how about making a special offer if someone wants 2 or 3 or more of those?  The flicker fixer is unlike another component, it allows connection to VGA monitor.  And since its internal its not easy to swap for use on another machine.
You have to remove the entire metal thing holding the powersupply and disk drives - hence one flicker fixer for only one machine (which one A2000 or A500? tough choice especially if you use A500 for gaming and A2000 for more serious stuff)
And yes for last comment: I understand Jens need to live, but make your products for the masses not the classes.  Thats the old Commodore slogan.  I have always supported Jens and Individual Compuers products.  But in today's economic slump its pretty hard.


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Wow, there are a fair few a**holes in the community. I for one think it's a great price considering the work that went into it. Jens obviously spent countless hours designing that beastie, coupled with the time it took to reverse engineer the ECS/OCS chipset (since the integral part of this design is based on his previous clone-A project)

He's fully justified in charging whatever the hell he wants for it. There's a TINY market, the guy needs to eat and fund his future ventures, and there's no way adding a minuscule markup such as $10 will _EVER_ pay off the time/labour spent on such a venture. Have you gotten off your lazy a$$ and created any new hardware for the Amiga? No, You haven't.

So, stop your damn b***ing about how "for that price it better have a builtin dong-schpedoodler", or he "Should've done x" or "Typical, he over-engineered Y and inflated the price" or "People that want to buy two cant because they'd have to trade in an arm, leg and testicle".

$@#*$^#*(^&($&(@*#&

/quit
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Re: IndivisionECS will have dual video output!
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2009, 07:09:36 AM »
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What, you have a crystal ball that can show what the sales numbers would be at $100 per unit compared to $140 per unit?  I don't think so!  I don't think anyone can guarantee that more profit would be made in the long run at different price points per unit.
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Its the same as Amiga One, then SAM board.  If it was better priced it would sell better and to more amiga users.
I bet Genesi did better job at selling their boards in terms of quantity.  Seems more Morph than OS4 developers.  but then i'm getting off topic.  Pricing has been a challenge in Amiga world, but perhaps time has come for change?  If not this platform will stay where it is dead or almost non-player.  Oh its pretty sad to see how many are willing to pay big $ for hardware but few are willing to pay for software (new or used).  This is the vault with Amiga community.  I bought all my software.
 

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Re: IndivisionECS will have dual video output!
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2009, 07:17:33 AM »
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I will not join in any name calling, but I do disagree with your thinking that new hardware for the Amiga that comes with a warranty should somehow be cheaper than old hardware on eBay.

amigadave,
I respect your opinion.  Just it seems that you can make it new in batch of 1000 (i'm guessing at least, but why not make 2000 or 3000 so people can buy 2 or 3???) then surely you can keep costs down below some vintage piece on ebay?  anyway pricing if you are seller / manufacturer / vendor is a matter of preference.  
Lets say it costs Jens $20 to produce each board, he can still charge $90 and $10 would go to dealer (a 10% return on resale & support is quite high, margin in pc industry is much lower than that).  BTW, a true value for Amber 2320 is more like $75-100.  Thats what it used to cost 2-3-4 years ago, before Amiga went ebay.  Anyway I just thought to give suggestion, nothing more.  I will still buy 1 one those (if it was better priced id get 2 or 3).

THANK YOU for making the flicker fixer possible. (no sarcasm, seriously).