Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150

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no offence but thats not even close to enough.
Got a brand new keyboard, rom 3.1, hard disk with os 3.9/3.1, wireless...  this offer is laughable.

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and UNLESS you have one for sale, I'm not asking for your approval or comments. I'll offer what I feel it's worth and if no takers then I'll stick with the emulator.

- It's a forum.  anyone can post & comment. :-)

greedy Ebayers?

- I'm not sure about "greedy".  it's the going market rate, sometimes below market rate in my opinion.  If you can't afford it then I suggest sticking to free emulators.  BTW, to use a ROM legally, you should own one of the machines. ;-)

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> Yes you can post comments but trolling is never welcomed on any forum.

True.

> As for the comment about not affording it. It's not a case of being not able to afford it it, it's a case of what 10 year old discontinued and outdated computer parts are worth to an individual.

Well to you maybe $150 to others it more.  I found your offer unreasonable as did other(s) here.  Anyway I still think its pointless to make WTB offer on a forum.  Just go to ebay and buy stuff there.

> At the end of the day, something is only worth what someone is willing to pay.

I agree, but if you post your offer, I have the right to post what I think of it, and thats not trolling.

> If there was no Ebay, you'd probably find them in a yard sale next to an old bicycle and some Vinyl records.

I doubt it.  I got to many flea markets over 10 yrs and never did i see A1200.

> As for the emulator, it's Amiga Forever and it's paid for and registered

I don't think much about Amiga Forever.  I doubt that they even pay a license fee to Amiga Inc.  but thats another topic.

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value. I don't know why some people use eBay prices as a measuring stick for an item's worth. That mindset is completely ludicrous.

Because one can get that much...
Why should i sell for less?  A person may be better off to keep it then.  Sure some prices are far fetched, but its a collectible just like cars.
im posting this as a FYI and as a record (that I wasn't pulling things out of the sky) that an amiga 1200 can be worth as much $400, with network card, rom 3.1/os 3.1 and 16mb and 68030 board.  but definitely more than $150.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150098912316

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Really I agree with everyone here (RARE RARE LOL)
Ebay is not 100% by itself the answer.  But you can develop "pricing trends" - say every week amiga 2000 sells for 50-75$ (barebone almost) you're not going to price it at $125 then.
Amiga 4000 sells for $300-350 - then you cannot price it for $500 and expect to sell it (ebay or outside ebay).
For those here that post funny offers that are way below anything you see outside ebay or on ebay - well you are the cheapskates and you need a job.  
You need a job to buy amiga stuff.  Its a hobby and if you cannot afford it or want to pay same money as for C64, then you (not anyone here) needs to find a different hobby.

On Ebay: the biggest {bleep} is that Seller Protection Policy with paypal (it's nonexistent).  So sellers get screwed.  Buyers want paypal b/c its offering credit payments and buyer protection (questionable too).  Who wins?  Ebay.  Who loses - sellers.  Which is why so few people want to take paypal.  Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Listing fees + Final value fees + paypal fees = this can add up to quite a bit fast...  Ebay is the gauging company.  (you'd think that acquiring paypal would lower paypal's fees).  Ebay also allows illegal copies - even after you contact them these copies are still sold.

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> This goes to prove my point basically and defeat your argument. $400 for an accelerated/expanded NTSC A1200 makes my opening offer of $150 for a basic one seem reasonable.


Well i wasn't thinking of a stock 68020 but of a 68030 machine... posting online is not always conveying the right things - im sure that most of us sitting physically in one room would one way or another agree on things.  Thats the beauty of being an amiga user.

> I still think the above auction is little high since once you get over $400, you are firmly in the A4000 price range.

yeah to A4000, which is a better deal overall.

> But for someone desperate to get the 'end product' quickly, I wouldn't blame them entirely for throwing down that much.

sad but true.

> premium price for rendundant technology and I won't. Would

I'm not so sure its redundant.  With the right software its as good as any computer :-D
You're not cheap, I guess the $150 for a Stock 1200 is not a bad offer...

> Ebay is a free market and people can charge what they like

which can be a variable / factor in pricing ones own items outside of ebay.  if people pay/buy then its accurate.  

> something is only worth as much as someone will pay for
Rembember, the average person in the street would just laugh at your Amiga computer and what you think it's worth. They

sad but true.  most users only know of micro$oft and windows.

> The only people really interested in buying your Amiga are those within the Amiga community. Do you really want to rip them off?

I'll say no to ripoff, but it has to be worth my time to deal with them.  If its not worth my time, then sorry I'd rather let things rust in some dark corner.  Reality.

Your $150 offer for a 68020 A1200 is fair, even if new, but I doubt you will find it this offered for so little.  you can get accel board like 030 for $90 or so.  then its $250.  
So for basic model its ok to offer $150US I guess.

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there probably isnt a truelly perfect auction setup online but the millions of ebay transations completed successfully says something for it.

amigas are not now and never have been a cheap hobby. you want cheap entertainment: get a pc

Agreed.  And I'll add that Ebay has been first one on block, so while not the best, it has similar to micro$oft monopolized the market on online auctions.

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Can you explain that bit some more? If the seller has proof of delivery etc, what's the problem? You mean eBay sides with the  buyers most of the time?[/quote]

Exactly that.  Ebay takes side of buyer more than seller.  I had a case where i had proof of shipping and all.  Ebay doesnt care, it offers protection policy enforced at the expense of sellers.  Lets face it also, very few of the amigas today are in mint and perfect condition.  If you look closely you will always find something wrong.  Ebay will still take side of buyer over seller, even if item is sold as is etc.