Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[the_leander]

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The projected cost of this thing represents about what I've spent on computing in totality over the past decade.

No way in hell I would plunk down that kind of cash on a single unit, especially when there is no certainty that the hardware would ever be fully supported by the OS within a reasonable expectation of the hardware's lifetime.

As far as the Amiga goes, the only project that holds any interest for me is the MinimigAGA. Both the expected cost and the reasonable nature of the project, (not to mention the proven track record of the developer behind it) make it a much more easily justified purchase.

[the_leander]

That's the problem, I consider AmigaOnes series soulless.  There is nothing attached to it but the lingering smell of FAIL.

 
FTFY.

Seriously, how many A1's died due to their CPUs being fried thanks to bad power regulation on the board?

[the_leander]

If that was true then the xbox360 would have a Quad Core Intel CPU and cost the same as a 2007 PC capable of running games @ 60FPS in 1920x1080...clearly they didn't and it doesn't

Different market spaces.

Also you're ignoring the fact that the 360's cost is subsidised.

As to the rest... I'm fairly sure I've read this line before and others have explained to you why it isn't going to happen.

[the_leander]

From the world english dictionary

Oh I didn't realise this was deliberately obtuse day!

His comment was clearly in regard to Microsoft's and Apples product lists.

[the_leander]

I still remember the thread Dennis van Weeren announced his minimig in.  Full of disbelievers and downright rude individuals and neg-heads.

If you're interested franko the link is here: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=19361

A first time poster announces something that defeated dev giants of the community past...

Given the sheer number of scams and vapour projects this community has been subject to over the past decade, the reaction he received is perfectly understandable. Indeed it was in part due to this that the dev took the decision to announce it only when it was ready to roll.

[the_leander]

Two grand, for a desktop?  Most I have ever spent was $768 and that was for a dual core (nVidia gfx) laptop.  Unless your VAT is ungodly high, there isn't much of a reason to spend much more then $600 for a machine that should be impressive in performance.

As was pointed out by many when this thing was first announced, two grand plants you firmly into professional workstation or hardcore gamer territory. So you're up against two way 8 core systems with ram into the double figures, RAID or SSDs and top of the line graphics cards, probably in SLI.

Suddenly, a dualcore PPC motherboard seems woefully underpowered compared to the competition.

[the_leander]

It's unlikely to be only $2K USD.  Looking at what the Beta mobo owners are going to be paying for mobo and RAM, and with a discount, one could see the final retail version of the A1X1K hitting around $3K USD.

Hmm, throw in a decent pair of 21ins monitors and a good quality set of 7.1 surround sound speakers into the mix as well then.

[the_leander]

Surround? Why?

Why not?

Might as well get all the bells and whistles if you're going to plunk down that kinda cash.

[the_leander]

Yes he was a first time poster.  But reading his post he said he had uploaded photos that hadn't shown yet.  So the prudent thing to do would have been to wait and see the evidence before shitting all over it.

Prudent? Heh, no.

Unless you can provide evidence to back up your claims, you're lying. It is that simple. Anything else leaves you open to being scammed.

If the community as a whole had taken on board the above, chances are a good few scams, including those perpetrated by Amiga.Inc themselves would have been squelched before they hurt anyone.

And can you not see the irony that we have people here saying things can't be done,

Err, it would be if they said that in the thread. There was never any question of OCS or even AGA being possible to reimplement within an FPGA, the contention was if it had been done.

Likewise no one has said that the X1000 is impossible, just that it's retarded.

 and then here comes one genius that ACHIEVED (not announced) "something that defeated dev giants"?

Dennis's work is a minor miracle and tbh offers one of the very few bright spots this community has seen in ten years. It achieved this by being practical, cost effective and by being realistic in terms of the market it was aiming for - IE it wasn't trying to take over the world.

X1000... It's a solution looking for a problem, it's too expensive realistically for the hobbyist set, too under powered as a workstation and given the state of OS4, may never be fully supported.

[the_leander]

Ah, and what does yet another piece of unsupported hardware matter anyways - you're right

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of what I could get for 2-3k instead of the X1000 - The reason I threw in the monitors and speakers was because Dammy upped my budget from 2k to 3k... But now that you mention it... Yeah what you're saying works too :lol:

[the_leander]

Seriously, enough now.

To everyone else.

[the_leander]

Which brings us to the point of why the X1000 costs so much even though its built from parts that were not specifically designed for it.

Number/Volume, say it anyway you'd like, but the Amiga market is SMALL.

Low volume=high prices

Simple, isn't it?

It's worse than that - PPCs come with a terrific price premium over other non x86 processors.

Take a look at SBC and dev boards for PPC, MIPS, ARM or even Coldfire. To get to G4 class speeds typically costs you double or even triple what all those other arches cost to get you there...

Third and most importantly, the stranglehold X86 has on personal computers might be loosened and we could provide a viable alternative system.

Then again, Nah that never happening!

The last chance for other cpu makers to really make significant inroads into the mainstream desktop market was in the early 90's. After that really the market was pretty much sewn up.

[the_leander]

Maybe their right, after all IBM designed processors are now a part of all three major game consoles.

Tbh that is likely to represent the last stronghold of the PPC. As it stands they're also heavy into telecoms, but with the likes of ARM and MIPS being as cheap and as flexible as they are, I can't see that remaining for much longer.

Still, if a large company with deep pockets approached them and could guarantee they would purchase X# (read millions) of processors, they would listen. In that regard, IBM has my respect. They know how to remain profitable.

Probably the next round of games consoles. Although again, price performance will be a major issue. ARM A9 or some of the multicore MIPS chips look damned nice at the minute.

[the_leander]

Why do all futuristic renderings of Amiga's look like all in one PCs? That form factor is not really that popular with PC users.

Actually, all in ones, or so called lifestyle PCs are one of the few growth areas for desktop systems. The only other area where growth is occurring is laptops, which as another poster pointed out, is little more than an all in one.

Truth is, there isn't the need to have a honking great tower, and unless you're a geek, chances are even with one the only upgrade it'll receive in it's lifetime will be its immediate successor given the power offered by most systems.

Even in the workplace micro towers and all in ones are where its all going. Space = money.

[the_leander]

Now that sir, is a thing of beauty.

I <3 steampunk,  I was on that site earlier today as it happens.

There is actually a company that makes those keyboards to order I found out.