Interview with Trevor Dickinson

[the_leander]

I bet he could have got AmigaOS converted to x86 for 200000 quid!

/thread.

[the_leander]

"...converted to x86 for 200000 quid!"

Maybe the idea is to get some return of invest through a rather expensive "special system" than from an x86 operating system sold without hardware.

Better 100% of 100 systems than 0.001% of a billion eh?

Even if you sell standard pc hardware with it - I don't see, how to achieve 200.000 bucks with this. Do you really think hundreds and thousands users will appear an pay for another x86 operating system?

Depends on the cost - Zeta (an ill fated BeOS derivative) for instance sold several thousand copies.

I still don't get it - why not use AROS? It's (of course) free - you can't make real money in the x86 world - ask ClusterUK how much money he earns through his AROS systems and then ask him, if he were able to earn any money if he had actually to PAY the AROS developers....

Tbh if AROS had had 200K injected into it you would be seeing a renaissance over there. Oh and as for paying developers, Hyperion doesn't exactly have a stellar track record of that itself.

[the_leander]

Though between their current choices of OS4 using custom hardware and MorphOS reusing old MAC hardware, I think the MorphOS is a better short term solutions out of those two.  However, I think they both need to move to x86.

The man speaks truth.

[the_leander]

And on the subject of Moo Bunny, are you really willing to think that many of the Moo Bunny regulars who post (not with proxies) are not enjoying themselves ragging on A-Eon every day?

Actually, speaking as one of the regulars on the bunny the consensus is pretty much that this is all a little sad. I don't see that people are enjoying it however, as many of those same regulars are long time Amiga users who see the imminent failure of the X1000 due to it's exorbitant price, probably being the death knell of OS4.

Sure maybe Ben is an a-hole that deserves nothing less.  I was not around at the time but I know he upset a ton of people.

I believe you misspelled libelled.

But does Trevor really deserve such from people who are supposed to be grown men.  Hmm, probably not.

From what I've seen the view on the bunny is that they can't quite get their heads around anyone pouring so much cash into a project with no appreciable chance of success, even within the context of a hobbyist market. I see very little outside of the current proxy lovin' troll who suffers from as Red said: "Most of the over the top nonsense lately is probably one individual with some sort of serious personality disorder and repressed sexuality." as being a disparaging comment aimed at him personally.

A few have described the situation/decisions as madness. But again, it stops well short of attacking TD personally. I know it's a subtle difference, but a very important one.

I have however seen plenty of comments by yourself and other recently joined members on here and in AW.net and Amigans.net accusing moobunny regulars of this and worse.

And I'm getting tired of these baseless accusations being levelled at me and others over and over.

With regard the X1000 being a dev box or not. Didn't TD say in the launch speech that it was aimed in part at developers and beta testers, with a second wave of machines being produced for everyone else?

I note that many of the BAFs who initially pilloried Dammy are now using the developer system card as a means to justify the obscene price though.

[the_leander]

What part of the word "many" do you not understand?

Possibly the same part of Citation Needed that neither you nor the recent influx of AW.net regulars understand.

You keep hurling this accusation at us. Time to back it up with some figures I think.

Whats the point in effectively labeling him an idiot over and over ad nasuem?

And here we have it folks. Knowing that he can't prove it (because as was pointed out in my previous post - the regulars stop well short of this.) He throws in that little qualifier there.

It wasn't true when you flat out accused the majority, any more than it is now you're trying to hedge your bets. Knock it off.

[the_leander]

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on this then.

Actually not. You have accused me and others of making personal attacks on Trevor Dickinson's character. You will provide citation for this now as I'm sick and tired of being libelled by you.

You make the accusation, the onus is on you to prove it.

I'm still unaware of them saying the beta machines are dev boxes and I'm also unaware of them saying post-beta boxes will be any different in any spec  or config from beta period units.

I suggest you re-read what I and Dammy wrote. Because no one here has said or even implied that there would be differences in the specification of the devices.

I have not seen this.

I'll bet you haven't.

Here, I'll just give you one example that I saw on this site. Note that this argument that "it wasn't aimed at us" is one I've seen a couple of folks use, including yourself earlier on in this thread, though you at least couched it as different hobbies.

The only jokes around are the people that still do not understand this machine is not aimed at Amigans at large but a small population of developers and PowerUsers (read: enthusiast with enough money or "will"). It only serves as a vehicle for the first, to evolve the platform, and it's just a first step.

And I have not seen any evidence that A-Eon is taking advantage of anyone.

And just like that you go off into the world of strawmen.

  I see on Moo Bunny often stuff like "I bet all the BAFs will be...".  Usually without a link.  And when there is one, its often one guy, sometimes taken out of context being quoted.  

Citation needed. It has been a very long time since I saw a quote that didn't have attribution either directly above or below it.

News flash, DAX and meet.mrgnr are not the "voices of the people".

But they are voices that get a whole lot of pats on the back for what they say on AW.net. Just because part of a message is quoted, it is supplied with attribution (IE a link back to the thread) which many people will read in order to get the context.

I don't need to prove anything.  

When you accuse me and other regular posters of this site of doing something, you damn well better back it up.

And sorry, your proxy regulars are still regulars at the site.

There are very very few proxy regulars on moobunny. They show up for a few weeks, get bored and then don't return. The current one that Red mentioned has been there for... About a fortnight now.

And plenty of the non proxy users seem to be quite pleased at talking about the upcoming demise of A-EON and their stupidity in general.

Citation needed.

[the_leander]

I have not accused you personally of anything.

But you have, repeatedly in this thread. As a regular on Moobunny you have placed a blanket accusation on me and others without any citation whatsoever.

If you wish to show where individuals have crossed the line from stating the situation is madness to flat out defaming Trevor's character , please feel free. After all, if it is as rampant as you imply, it shouldn't take you more than a minute or two.

But either way, with respect to the TOS you will withdraw your blanket accusation now.

If you don't like my opinion about what is going on there then tune me out.

When your "opinion" includes libelling me and others without a single shred of evidence, no I don't like it and I won't put up with it from you or any other.

[the_leander]

I have my opinion and you have yours.

Sorry that doesn't play. You have accused me and others of defaming Trevor Dickinsons character without any evidence.

You want to provide proof that individuals have done such, then by all means have at it.
 
All I want is for you to withdraw this false blanket accusation.

ban me for my opinion

Strawman.

No one wants to "ban you for your opinion", but the TOS is quite clear with regard to libelling others.

From the TOS:

Posts of a libellous nature are not allowed.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, whether you think it right or wrong. Posting false information about an individual is not only bad form, but could become a serious problem, both for the poster, and for Amiga.org itself.

[the_leander]

Where did I say *you* defamed his character?

Is the English language not your first perhaps?

You have stated repeatedly in this very thread that "many moobunny regulars" have attacked Trevor's character, yet not provided a single shred of evidence to justify this claim.

As a moobunny regular I take issue with this because it infers that I and or others (many) have made comments that defame Trevor's character.

I have asked (repeatedly now) for you to justify this blanket accusation or withdraw it. I have also stated that that if you were to accuse individuals (with citation, obviously) of doing so you wouldn't have a single complaint over it.

And yet you have squirmed every which way to try to justify it.

Citations, do you have them?

My comment is straightfoward, does Trevor really deserve what is said there about his venture and the inferences made about its motivations,

Well without citations for what is actually being said of Trevor, I can't really comment on this, can I?

where things are said like A-Eon is treating its customers like pigs that need to be bent over etc.

Citation most definitely needed.

 You don't find that sort of thing crass and unnecessary?

In a site where the marketplace of ideas reigns supreme, only the ones that work actually survive. I know coming from a website whose history of gross censorship this might be a hard concept to take in, but it works.

  You don't wonder at someone's motivations to speak about something as mundane as A-Eon in such a manner, so often?  

Yup, still waiting on those citations. As to motivations, I wonder at everyone.

Maybe you are desensitized from being at Moo for years or something.

Or maybe you could just withdraw the blanket allegation and provide specific instances aimed at specific posters, like you've been asked to.

[the_leander]

If you want to twist my quote thats your business.  If you want to get into a debate over the word "many" thats not going to happen.

No twisting necessary. You have made a blanket accusation that you are now refusing to withdraw or provide evidence to back it up.

You might view that bent over pig talk as "keeping it real" or something.

Again, still awaiting that citation. I find it amusing that you demand proof of something that Dammy says, but when held to the same level of evidence you try linguistic gymnastics and logical fallacies.

Some folk might see that as being somewhat hypocritical.

I talking about my impression and opinion that is formed after reading posts like that.  

Given the level of reading comprehension you've displayed in this thread, the obvious strawman arguments you've lobbed at anyone daring to call you out on your accusations and your unwillingness to back them up, your impressions and opinion are utterly worthless.

[the_leander]

  I'm not here to impress anyone.

Something that you have singularly succeeded in achieving.

Its more mild than the pig talk at the Moo.  

Repeating a lie does not make it truth.

What is your handle there BTW?

No.

[the_leander]

Did every SAM machine vanish overnight while I wasn't looking?

Did PPC become viable for the desktop again whilst I wasn't?

[the_leander]

By what definition of viable ?

Hmm lets see:

Does PPC offer any roadmap by any current manufacturer for a general purpose PPC ISA processor that is even remotely competitive with even mid range x86?

No. Everything is being aimed at specialist markets - either high performance highly specialised stuff like Cell and Xenon for consoles, or SoC's based on the 603/604 that have been married up to any number of weird and wonderful kit.

The PA6T is currently the fastest PPC available, costs £450 (according to TD) and can barely compete with dual core x86 cpus that cost a tenth of that. Oh and there is nothing on the horizon that'll be coming out to top it due to lack of demand in the markets that PPC still exist in.

We already have an amiga OS for x86.

I'd be a bit careful saying that too loudly or too often

The user "HyperionMP" at AW.net.

Just a 2 sec search and there was this one (from one year ago):

"we have taken a look at the PowerPC roadmap and there is plenty of life in it including 8 core designs under 30 W.

First off: Citation needed. Both for where this claim came from and the claim itself.

HyperionMP, aka Ben Hermans, not exactly a tech guy or known for his honesty.

You will not find any such chip currently on any manufacturers books. I doubt very much any such chip existed even on tape. The PA6T offered the theoretical option of tying (IIRC) 4 or 6, but no one has ever, or will ever produce such a chip. PA Semi currently only work on ARM for Apple.

But even if by some miracle Ben was actually telling the truth. An 8 core chip just means 7 cores of wasted wafer as far as OS4 goes.

One of the main benefits of Amiga OS 4.1 is the fact that the geared entirely towards the PowerPC architecture as one of the very few operating systems around. Linux runs fine on PPC but it certainly is not optimised for this architecture in any way."[/I]

OS4.x is coded in C. C is portable. And being geared entirely toward a dead end arch is in no way a benefit.

I'm not saying they hate x86.  I am saying its not just that they are considering the effort to go x86 when sticking with PPC but also that they clearly still believe in PPC.

Some people believed Tony Blair and George Bush were smart, honest decent people too. Delusion is kinda cute like that.

[the_leander]

Rouge

:lol:

[the_leander]

Words.

Comparing the quote of a lawyer and noted liar to that of a developer, you know, someone who actually has half a clue as to what is going on really is a stretch, even for you.