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Re: Windows 7 to get ‘instant on’ mode?
« on: October 28, 2008, 05:52:21 PM »
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There is an instant off mode.  Pull the plug! Or hold the power button for 10 seconds...hahahaha

With journaled filesystems (both Windows and Mac have had this for awhile now)


NTFS is not, nor has ever been journaled, which is why even today Vista requires ocational defragmentation.

The supposed WinFS that was to be a fully journaled filesystem, never materialised. In fact, WinFS was actually promissed back when XP was being prepped... So it's not a new idea either.

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(if you've ever wondered why chkdsk only runs on *some* power failures) we could probably almost go back to the old way of turning things off at random.. Maybe with some perfection.. You'd still want to save things first, but that has never been any different.


Vista by default schedules defragmentation for once a week. I never saw chkdsk run in Win2000 whenever it went down, but that does not make NTFS as seen in all of the later NT based windows releases any more a Journaled filesystem then the Amiga's FFS.

Sorry to bring up an old thread like this, but I hate seeing disinformation.
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Re: Windows 7 to get ‘instant on’ mode?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 10:15:07 AM »
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NTFS is not, nor has ever been journaled, which is why even today Vista requires ocational defragmentation.

Um, what does journaling have to do with need of defragmentation?


My understanding was that a truely journaled filesystem would not need defragmenting. That the system would, for the most part keep itself in check. I thought that was one of the main benefits of having a journaled filesystem - that fragmentation would be (again, for the most part) a thing of the past.

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I never saw chkdsk run in Win2000 whenever it went down, but that does not make NTFS as seen in all of the later NT based windows releases any more a Journaled filesystem then the Amiga's FFS.

NTFS does have metadata journaling. Amiga FFS doesn't have any, not even atomic commits.


As I understood it, FFS was no better then FAT - simply a listing of files with little/nothing else added.

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Sorry to bring up an old thread like this, but I hate seeing disinformation.

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I stand corrected. Further, I withdraw my previous post.
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Re: Windows 7 to get ‘instant on’ mode?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 10:27:49 AM »
Tbh I'm still surprised that they didn't take the NT codebase and strip it down to the bare basics (ala BartPE and similar) and rig it up for windows mobile/ WinCE.

Whilst being small doesn't necesarily equate to offering flexibility. Being huge leaves a lot of openings for security issues, even if your code is relatively clean to begin with. It would seem, especially with the burgeoning Netbook market, that a slim base with a modular system would be preferable.

I was interested in what Microsoft were doing with their Singularity project and tbh I'm dumbfounded that they dumped it. Something like Singularity with a win32 sandbox (similar in principle to OSX with it's classic MacOS support) would I think be a good idea.
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