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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
When I die, post mortem will state
death caused by lack of appropriate medical care
or death caused by an car-accident, car accident caused by utterly bad road condition..


You don't live on your own, keep that in mind.
You live in an utterly cozy wealthy country, and you have little to worry about, so STOP MOANING and get over it you selfish prick :pissed:
Your selfishness can cause lots of trouble.
(Like, one dies of a rare disease, and no one wanted to pay for research)


Right, first off name calling is a breach of the TOS, so knock it off, secondly a countries wealth means bugger all, people may still be poor, even in the most afluent countries around. Britain in the 80's became fabulously wealthy, at the expense of whole communities in the north, many of whome have never recovered. Indeed in the north there are whole cities that still have not recovered from the 80s, yet Britain today is "richer" then its ever been... Just think about that for a while.

As a person who in this country has spent his life working and living on the breadline, I can assure you that the above statement holds very true for me.
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Re: When I die, the Post Mortem-report will say "Death caused by taxes"!
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2004, 03:59:01 PM »
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adz wrote:
As far as I'm concerned its a tax payers right to moan about it, cause in the end, its their money the government is using.
oh oh your RIGHTS! Your RIGHTS!
ppl working for hospitals etc. work their asses of and you just wanna pay em less and less because it's your right.
that's how tax cuts are done.


The ground level civil servants, such as doctors, nurses etc are not the things that get people in this country so annoyed, what annoys people is that for every nurse in the NHS, there are TWO pen pushers there two, the sort of system that requires more people dealing with paperwork rather then front line services (Medicine, Firefighting, Police) is utterly reprehensible, the triangle is supposed to get smaller the further you go up it, it isn't supposed to be stood on its point!

Not one person here would advocate that these front line personel are being payed anywhere near enough, but I suspect every one of them would say that there are too many managers and such creating such a tidal wave of paperwork as to make the system utterly ineficient! ( Would also add to this that police and nurse's I've spoken to largely agree with this).

as for quangos, I am in agreement that they need getting shot of, as they do nothing except make a bad situation worse in most cases. Government should be large on the front line, tapering up to the point of power - the cabinet. Government should have the bulk of its power at a local level, not all stuffed in whitehall.
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Re: When I die, the Post Mortem-report will say "Death caused by taxes"!
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2004, 06:35:08 PM »
It is so unfortunately, what happens is that for any given department, there is the manager on the ground, plus the heads of department, various health chiefs not attached to the hospital, whitehall propper and the health secratary him or herself issuing directives completely seperate from one another. So you got maybe... 8 or 9 managers all giving out extra paperwork (often repeating other sections recomendations) all adding up. So to deal with this, the NHS has to have that many pen pushers in the background just to deal with the system... Even the government in PMQ's (Prime ministers Questions) has had to acknoledge it (although they tried like buggery not to).

The railways is the one place that I can honestly say that a quango has sorted it all out, yes there are still delays, but not nearly as bad as it was. There are actually more trains on the rails, the costs of operating on the railways has been reduced.

Is it still a mess? Well yes it is, but, its a hell of a lot less messy then it once was, and its still getting better. Primarily because of the training and recruiting of managers that actually know what they're doing as aposed to the old boys club where it isn't what you know, just who you know (as it is in the NHS and many other areas of public service).
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Re: When I die, the Post Mortem-report will say "Death caused by taxes"!
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2004, 04:43:25 AM »
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T_Bone wrote:

Another large problem this country has is personal debt. We owe too much, and it's being sold to us renamed as something that sounds deceptively positive, "credit."

It's the same beast.



Britain is in much the same posision with regards personal debt. Doesn't help that in the past decade the cost of a 3 bedroom house in this country has more then tripled in real terms (folks morgaged their house for £30,000 about ten years or so ago, today it has been valued *very* conservatively at around £100,000, with a more honest value putting it closer to £120,000... Found this out as a result of my folks divorce this year heh.

In brighter news, I'm back after a good cool off period heh.

Anyone miss me?
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