AmigaOS + POP/PPC petition official web site

[Rodney]

Seems like all the people they deleted from the list were all those with an opposing view. This petition doesnt really show alot, unless it can show that the number of people wanting AmigaOS to run on POP hardware outnumbers those who think the licence is fair.

By deleting those signitures, you complely delete any chance of that happening. Now it looks like 370 people who appose the licence compared to the few thousand or so that think its fair.

Im thinking about making a petition that says "The licenece is fine, keep it the way it is". Maybe that would make a good poll? - I dont think we've had one yet of that topic yet!

[Rodney]

There were 8 signatures who posted abusive comments and spoofed other persons. Should obvious morons attempting to disrupt a petition process be on a list of names when they obviously don't endorse what the petition in question says?

I could of course have asked petitiononline.com to keep the garbage, it wouldn't have mattered much since it naturally would be removed when the list is compiled and handed over. It just looked bad, and some people seem to think that they have to agree with other signatories' "optional comments" in addition to the petition which they're signing.

Yes there were people who wrote some offensive language, and I wouldn’t blame anyone for taking them off the list. However it seemed that I saw many many more people who apposed the petition that had signed it last time. They now seem to be gone.

If my memory serves me correctly then those who did have a different opinion then what the poll was set up to address were taken off not because they were offensive but because their opinions weren’t inline with what the poll is trying to get across.

Huh? What are you talking about?

It might have done some good to keep some of those signatures on there, because let’s say you had 17 for the current licence and 350 for no licence at all... Then that’s 17/350 for the current system. That shows a HUGE number of persons (percentage wise) that share similar feelings about Amiga Incs hardware licensing.

Now, with those gone, it just seems like 350 people or so. Not 0/350, just 350 out of all those in the community that could have voted, which is among the thousands. So, therefor, it kinda looks like 350/thousands_of_potential_signers - so now, it looks as if the majority of the people want the current system.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it is a stupid idea. If you believe in something go for it, but if your deleting people of the board, that have an opposing point of view, then that’s not right. Not that I said you are, but if my memory serves me correct, it looks like there are a lot less apposing points of views now.

[Rodney]

There were 8 signatures who posted abusive comments and spoofed other persons. Should obvious morons attempting to disrupt a petition process be on a list of names when they obviously don't endorse what the petition in question says?

I could of course have asked petitiononline.com to keep the garbage, it wouldn't have mattered much since it naturally would be removed when the list is compiled and handed over. It just looked bad, and some people seem to think that they have to agree with other signatories' "optional comments" in addition to the petition which they're signing.

Yes there were people who wrote some offensive language, and I wouldn’t blame anyone for taking them off the list. However it seemed that I saw many many more people who apposed the petition that had signed it last time. They now seem to be gone.

If my memory serves me correctly then those who did have a different opinion then what the poll was set up to address were taken off not because they were offensive but because their opinions weren’t inline with what the poll is trying to get across.

Huh? What are you talking about?

It might have done some good to keep some of those signatures on there, because let’s say you had 17 for the current licence and 350 for no licence at all... Then that’s 17/350 for the current system. That shows a HUGE number of persons (percentage wise) that share similar feelings about Amiga Incs hardware licensing.

Now, with those gone, it just seems like 350 people or so. Not 0/350, just 350 out of all those in the community that could have voted, which is among the thousands. So, therefor, it kinda looks like 350/thousands_of_potential_signers - so now, it looks as if the majority of the people want the current system.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it is a stupid idea. If you believe in something go for it, but if your deleting people of the board, that have an opposing point of view, then that’s not right. Not that I said you are, but if my memory serves me correct, it looks like there are a lot less apposing points of views now.

[Rodney]

He does have a point in that only one side is heard. I think  a Poll with an area so that people can write down exactly how they fell is more important.

Kinda like a corss between the petition and a poll.

That way people who like Amiga Incs liecen feel as if they can have a say.

Petitions more or less say - sign this if you agree, or atleast thats what everyone expects them to be. But a poll makes everyone feel welcome!!

[Rodney]

It isn't a poll, it's a petition. I wonder what kind of twisted logic leads someone who disagrees with the object of a petition signing it anyway. If those signatures have also been removed, even though abusive language wasn't involved, this is hardly the stuff of which police states are made.

In any case, if I had a fiver for the number of times I've seen people rant and rave about something being "unfair" and "dictatorial", before signing on the dotted line along with everyone else...

Dont get narky at me, all im saying is that it looks like some people may have been taken off the list unfairly (along with others who deserved it). I dont know if this is true, but if it is, and if it has been done delibratly, i think it shows bad on the petition.

Im not against petitions, i just think a poll would much better show the two sides and then Bill and Co could much better, gather ideas of what percentage of the community feels about what.

Im just giving my opinion, dont shoot me or anyone else goes.

As long as im talking, i will say (and i've said it before), i would like to use whatever hadware i wont, but i believe Amiga Inc know more about this then me, so ill let them go with what their thinking with, and if things start to turn bad, or nto for the better, then ill sign something, but right now, Amiga Inc are doing a great job! - As i see it anyway.

[Rodney]

Poster: Akaru Date: 2002/6/7 3:36:20

Ok lets try this again.

My point is not that the idea/arguments aren't valid.

My point is that I don't feel that the right way of representing this idea has been taken.

My point was that Petitions have an element of fascism in them. They are one sided they strengthen a view, they do not represent any alternatives.

I question why this form was used to put forward this view was it so opposing comments/view points couldn't be incorperated into the argument.

In a democracy surely these kinds of methods shouldn't be needed, A poll would be more enlightening because it would provide both sides of the story.
Why wasn't this idea presented as a poll? perhaps because the creator didn't feel that the results would end up supporting his view.

That is my point.

And apart from that the petition online site doesn't do petitions in a very good way. there is no way people can be held to account for their views because anyone can post anything they want. its not secure. And the petition can be editted, to remove anything that the creator doesn't want to include, doesn't sound very good.
When you can remove anyone from the list what makes it questionable that the final petition has any value. You are basically removing all the points of using a petition in the first place. As a way to express your views and make them count, because if someone doesn't want you to have signed it they can just remove you.

Hope that cleared a few things up.

Wow, are we the exact person? - Someone who agrees with me .

A poll would be a supper way of judging if this was the best way to do things. If the majority of the community felt a certain way, Amiga Inc would have to listen.

The petition only makes it look like 370 people in the community feel a certain way. If a poll was done and it had 370 votes all up, they could get a percentage and workout wha tthe majority of people want. Then they might consider changing it or whatever.