Philosophical Question - Amiguing

[ChaosLord]

Question is:

-> Why do we(1) keep trying to cultivate the Amiga, knowing that, most probably it's some kind of nostalgic feeling about the surrounding of our life experiences(2) when we first had the original Amigas?

(1) I include myself on it.
(2) Youth, already deceased family members, places, childhood, teenage, ex girlfriends, ...

Do you understand that "nostalgia" refers to the distant past?

Today is 2013, not the distant past.

Things that happen in 2013 cannot be nostalgia.

In 2013, AmigaDOS is vastly superior to MSDOS on Windoze XP and Windows7.

In 2013, AmigaDOS is vastly superior to Linux DOS, BSD DOS, Unix DOS, etc.

This is today, not the distant past.

Do you do actual work with your computer?  Or do u just play games?

Have you ever tried to do a List, Rename, Delete, or Copy with those other OSes?

Why don't you write out how to do them in the other OSes and how you do them with the Amiga?  Look it up.  Use a book or use Google.



In 2013 all Amiga MUI software is vastly superior to all WinozeXP, Windows 7, and Linux software.  Amiga MUI software allows the user to actually change the damn fonts (or just change the size) to a readable size/style without having the text flow outside the window like always happens on my WindozeXP box.  Software on Windoze and Linux is downright user hostile in its Nazi-Stalinist-Dictatorial GUIs of "Do it the way I hardcoded it OR DIE!"

Amiga MUI software allows every aspect of the GUI to be user controlled and customized and is lightyears ahead of Linux, Unix, BSD, WindowsXP, Windows7, etc. in 2013.



Or how about filesearching.  I had a 2TB harddrive that I had to repeatedly search for the existence of files.  I had to do hundreds of searches.  It was ridiculously slow.  Every search took 24 to 30 minutes on my 1500 Mhz PC.

So I used a search program (with fancy pattern matching) that I wrote in asm on the Amiga back around 1990 for BBSes.  It completed each search in around 7 seconds on my 50Mhz 060.

My 50 Mhz Amiga is 257x faster than my 1500 Mhz pc.

On a Mhz for Mhz basis my Amiga is 7,714x faster than my worthless WindozeXP PC.

That is today in 2013.

[ChaosLord]

Anyone programming an Amiga today is doing it purely for nostalgia or fear of moving on.

People only voluntarily do things for one of 2 reasons:
A: They are paid to do the thing.
B: They do the thing for fun.

Which one of those do you think applies to Amiga programming?

[ChaosLord]

A lot of animals have unique capabilities beyond those of humans. They may not be able to converse in abstract concept,

Some animals can absolutely positively converse in abstract concepts.

Other animals may definitely be more intelligent than humans.  There is no proof that humans are more intelligent than Bottlenose Dolphins or Porpoises.

[ChaosLord]

To get back to the nostalgia question: I personally got my A1200 18 years ago and simply never stopped using it, don't see how that has anything to do with nostalgia.

Hey, that's a good point!

Nostalgia usually involves someone liking something or doing something for some years then they stop doing it for many years then one day they decide to go back and do it again "out of nostalgia".

For example I mostly stopped using my C64 in 1985 and totally completely abandoned it by 1987.

The C64 is totally inadequate to my needs in 2013 just as it was totally inadequate to my needs in 1987.

But I have feelings of nostalgia for my C64 and would not mind firing up some of my fave old games again.

But now that you made me think about it I have now realized that the C64 is not totally inadequate to my needs.  It plays Jumpman perfectly well.  It plays M.U.L.E. perfectly well.  Sure the gfx and sfx could use an update but the gameplay is absolutely 100% perfect.  Gameplay is the most important aspect in a game for me.  So for certain uses, a C64 is ok for me and its not just nostalgia.

[ChaosLord]

Interesting assertion. Tell me more - which ones? How have we discovered this?

Chimpanzees which have been taught to understand English and/or sign language are a perfect example.

There's a lot of nice documentaries about it that you could watch like I did.  Or I am sure that there are lots of articles or books written about it.

I am also certain that dolphins, porpoises, killer whales can converse in both abstract and concrete concepts based upon watching their behavior.

I am also certain that lots of animals can think in abstract concepts but they lack the ability to communicate very well so most of their thoughts are trapped inside their brain.

Many animals can look at a problem and decide what tool they need and then they can go make that tool or find the tool and bring it to the problem and solve the problem with the tool.   Thus proving that humans are not the only "intelligent" species.

Humans are not the only species that communicates with sound waves.
Humans are not the only species that uses tools.
Humans are not the only species that farms.
Humans are not the only species that engages in organized warfare.
Humans are not the only species that can navigate from point A to point B using measurements of distance and angles of travel.
Humans are not the only species with Emotions.

I have performed many experiments which show that various animals and plants are more intelligent than 50% of humans.

The main thing that gives humans their advantages is their hands.  If Dolphins had hands then they would rule the world.

Various other animals do have nice hands but humans have larger brains than those other animals.

We also have an interesting mutation in our voicebox that gives us superior communication skills than any of the other animals with hands.  Our hands give us superior writing skills too, which helps us to pass knowledge from one point to another which allows a civilization to develop.

[ChaosLord]

Speaking as the person who introduced the point of abstract thought as an ability special only to humans with this statement:

I, personally, would welcome Koko, any other gorillas, elephants, dolphins and what have you to join in the conversation to the degree it is being discussed here.

Their superior intellect prevents them from doing silly nonsensical things like joining Amiga.org to talk to a bunch of us crazy humans

[ChaosLord]

He didn't need to give us anything. The exact length of time it took to create the Universe isn't really important to how one lives one's life.

Ima quote Philo of Alexandria (c. 20 BCE – c. 50 CE):

By "six days" Moses does not indicate a space of time in which      the world was made, but the principles of order and productivity      which governed its making

But you don't actually care what it means, it is convenient to take it literally so that you can ridicule it. Taking things literally wasn't invented until about the 18th century I think.

Just to be clear:
Philo of Alexandria was quoting a completely different book.  He wasn't talking about the Koran or Haddiths but the Hebrew Bible.

The Hebrew Bible (the Jewish religion) says literally "6 time periods" and ppl (usually atheists) "just assume" that it means "6 days" because "you know, its like obvious".

In fact "time period" can mean anything, a billion years, a million years.  Or if you are a Star Wars fan it can even mean a unit of distance like 7 parsecs.

[ChaosLord]

No it doesn't say that literally as it wasn't written in English. Someone may have translated the original text as "6 time periods". We weren't around at the time, so god must have told us. You'd have thought if he was going to tell us how long it took, he might actually tell us in a way that we could actually know what it meant. Otherwise, why bother?

God didn't write the bible.
People wrote the bible.
My bible is written in English as are most.

[ChaosLord]

Perhaps, but only in the same way psychopaths are sentient too.

That is a very good point!

We are going to create sentient machines at some point.

All the machines we have create so far are psychopathic.

So before we create a sentient machine we dam well better program it with a conscience and sense of morality.

Not that any of this matters.

By 1000 years after the first sentient machine is created, humanity will be wiped out.  Sure there may be a few Eskimos that survive here and there but our civilzation will be gone.  The sentient machines will take everything.

But hey, it was nice knowing you guys!  We had a good run.

[ChaosLord]

Hmm. Sounds like at a fundamental level you're quoting religion to me or at best hypothesis.  Certainly not science fact.

His explanation isn't quite right because sometimes when the patterns match you get a sudden feeling of terror, fear, dread, anger, or sadness.