Will there be an ACA1240 or ACA1260?

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@ the 68060FE133 haters

Various ppl have bought them.  They used them.  Nobody has ever reported them as being fake or defective.  So why the hate?

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040s were 5v and 060 was 3.3v.  They each have a different socket.

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Because according to the manufacturers themselves they don't exist.

The manufacturer did not say that.

Freescale (who may or may not be the manufacturer) said FE133 was not a Freescale part number.

This means nothing.

If I walk up to freescale and hand them a million bucks to make a TCAGA060133 cpu.  Then I take all the chips and they are my part number not freescale's part number.

That happens all the time in manufacturing.

Therefore what are they and who are they by?

They may be genuine enough to work well, that's true - but if it were your reputation on the line that you'd build up over several years, would you take the risk?

You obviously do not want an 060 accelerator and that is ok with me.  You should stay with 030

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I have yet to find one report of them working.. links please.

If they didn't work then Thomas would have told me.  It would be a really big deal.  That is my view.

The way I remember it is that Thomas plugged one into his 060 card and it worked and it did not have MMU or FPU.  

You could try datamining the Natami forum.

The only thing I could find that went into any detail was the thread on MorphOS zone or whatever it was called.. and no one there could provide/find an example of one of these things working either. You're also assuming that all of these chips that are floating around the Chinese brokers are the same thing.

Supposedly some Atari guys are using them.  You could search Atari forums if u want.

Of if they are really $20.00 why not just buy one and see what happens?

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Silly question, but why do people even care?

If it has neither an FPU nor MMU, is it even a valid option?

Loads of Amigas do not have FPU or MMU.  Are they valid options?
Is A500 invalid?  Is A1200 invalid?  What all the zilions of 030 accelerators that have no FPU?

I need an MMU because I am a developer but lots of ppl specifically do not want an MMU.  The 060 FPU is awesome but I could live without it.  But I really need my MMU. :knuddel:

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BTW: What do you program your games in?

JC + asm

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- If it was easy Jens or someone else would have done it..

 it's not easy and wouldn't turn a profit. So no one has done it.
 Sourcing the parts, putting together a schematic, laying out a board with a ton of layers,

How many layers does an A1200 060 accelerator have?

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I remember correctly Jens is the only person in the world right now that has the edge connectors for the A1200 trap door. It might be a good idea to listen to what he says. :elvis:

I remember correctly Jens is the only person in the world right now that has the schematics and the rights to produce the Apollo 1260 accelerator.

I wonder why he bought the rights for the 060 accelerator?
I wonder why he keeps cranking out 020 accelerators but not 060 ones?
I wonder why he keeps cranking out 030 accelerators but not 060 ones?

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The problem with using LC or EC parts would be that basically all Amiga software is frozen in time and when that freeze happened it was assumed that all machines with an 060 had a working FPU. So LC and EC parts are basically useless for the Amiga..

Can u name a single piece of software that makes such an assumption?

I have never met a program that did such a thing.

I don't think anyone assumed that except you.

Tons of ppl used LC and EC parts and I never heard of them not working.

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Any application that tries to make use of the FPU or MMU..

You don't understand the way Amiga software works.

And we're back to "my mate Dave said his dad had a special 68060 specially imported by James Bond" again. Did you not get the memo about a lot (most?) LC and EC 060 parts having working MMU and FPU?

So now you are admitting that Freescale LIED when they marked their chips as LC or EC ?  When in fact they were full 060s?

So now you are admitting that Digikey sells fake untested cpus for high prices?

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What's with the attitude?

He's a new account created for trolling.

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It's very common for multiple products to be produced from the same mask...
EC parts having working FPUs and MMUs is something you can go and verify yourself fairly easily. Whether those FPUs and MMUs actually work to spec is another matter but they weren't sold as such..

Motorola frequently produced full 060s and just marked them as LC or EC when they weren't LC or EC.

I have one.  Its not supposed to have FPU/MMU and yet there it is, working perfectly, all these years.


You would rather trust a few characters of writing to tell you if something works rather than to test the product itself to see if it works or fails.

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I am curious, is it the limitation of the actual 68k that it cannot continue to 68070, 68080 and so on and that it cannot go beyond 50 Mhz like 230 Mhz or 1 Ghz or is it the limitation of the Amiga classic itself that forces the maximum limit of 50 Mhz for all 68K except with forced over clocking?

The limitations are purely political and religous.

Motorola intentionally stopped improving the 680x0 line in order to try to force everyone over to PPC.  Motorola managers did a lot of stupid things.